Did you see the original idea, a closed vacuum loop where you supposedly could just drive in with no wait to get on the loop. It’s like a pot idea that doesn’t hold up once you think about it for a few minutes.
Plus, it’s deliberately inefficient as it was more about Musk not wanting to have to sit near lesser people as you would have to on an actually efficient mass transit platform.
I love when it was pointed out that Trump would be wealthier today if he had just stuck his inheritence/start up money from pops into a plain old bank account
OK, you’re saying this as if it’s a bad thing, I don’t see how it is.
And how many businesses or companies has he started or been associated with? That number is in the hundreds.
Yes, this is true, though he was wealthy before he started showing up in movies or TV shows.
Yeah, that’s just the nature of things.
And not lose voters. I’m only adding this because I thought he said the same thing, but I looked it up and apparently he was talking about not losing voters. Take your pick which one is worse or better.
Just curious what facts or data you are basing that claim on? People here have hated on wow since vanilla and those same haters now blaming hires that just started happening last few years lol. Way to be more than a sheep lol
This is dramatic. Especially now that we know what the Clintons were up to, because both parties were kind of terrible, weren’t they? But this isn’t new, complaints of this sort of thing have been going around for hundreds of years. No, that doesn’t make it better, but I do think people get way too invested in this stuff.
I understand why people can feel that way, but things are actually working pretty well. If you listen to sensationalist media you’ll eventually come to think the world is ending and the country is falling apart, and this is for both political parties because they’re basically the same thing as far as I’m concerned.
Yeah, this is a fair point. Blizzards hiring will be as strict as it needs to be. The people getting in will have experience or schooling in their specific fields. Kind of seems like a non issue to me.
Blizzards new Chief Diversity officer has had more job experience and schooling than I could ever hope to put up with, so she’s probably a lot more qualified than most people from the start.
I did not say it was bad or that it was good. Just that it is a fact. Origins matter to some people and there is a difference between someone who starts with no family background or money and creates things from scratch. There are others for whom “new money” is a bad thing. It just depends on which era of history and who you ask.
Right - he was wealthy the day he was born. What he created on his own and can rightly credit himself for, is his personal marketing and image - he used media for that most of his adult life. He was way better at it than most people. A media “influencer” before those were a thing.
Excellent clarification. Both are true though, and both are bad things. The ability to justify things that are abhorrent kind of boggles my mind sometimes.
This is what the past 6 or so years has shown me and it honestly terrifies me. We survived this long on honest intentions and good will. The country was never set up with the guardrails to stop someone who really wants to take power and nobody actually DOES anything when policies, rules, laws, etc. are broken. That has been proven now. Nixon should never have gotten a pardon and it has been downhill from there.
The US policy was to pretend we were the land of quality, fairness, equal opportunity when that was far from the whole truth. A bastion of free and fair! Land of democracy!
Yeah… not so much. There is plenty about the US that is amazing and democracy is just one of those things. But it is not perfect, certainly not in our implementation of it, and the country is not perfect either. Part of loving something is realizing it can be made better and working towards that.
Back to Blizz - it is something I hope Blizz does now. Their company and games have flaws. Ego and pretending they don’t leads to things like lost customers and lawsuits. Back to why they need to ensure fair hiring, mentorship, promotion, treatment, etc. For everyone, not just the buddies of certain people. I see hiring the DEI officer as a step in that direction. It may or may not work out perfectly, but trying is better than pretending they don’t need help and have no issues.
Same so at least we have equal time seeing issues, I can say I have experiences in 7 different states across 2/3 of the US - North, South, Middle America - everything except the west coast.
I disagree that this is the way to frame this issue. Sure there are people who were born with wealth power and privilege but that sure wasn’t the people I knew. I grew up in a very liberal area and was raised on extremely “progressive” ideas in the 70s. The one thing I can say I DID see was the ones who had wealth, power and influence were all on the left side of the political spectrum. The right had small wealth and power - sure a few may have owned a couple of stores, but none had the power, money or influence of those in state or federal government.
I simply reject the idea that every single white person was born as part of the 1% and all minorities were poor. I could give reasons for this, but it upsets your world view that even in rich areas there were poor white trash like people I knew.
This is EXACTLY why I have these discussions in hope to eventually reach people. The people who are against ILLEGAL immigration are against it regardless of skin color - be they Ukrainians or Hondurans. YOU have been conditioned to believe it’s about skin color. I believe it’s about MONEY and taking care of our own.
I would rather see an African American get a housing voucher because they need it than some Ukrainian who just came here to make some money (when they could have stayed in Europe with people more like them say Poland. I say this as a 3rd gen Pole). Your viewpoint is being used against you by corp America to get cheap labor
Again, you went straight too white because you only view it as race. People like me are not going yeah bring in all the Ukrainians but keep out the Mexicans. I also have issue with the fact that most migrants ARE males (I believe they are here to work for wages primarily) and if it were 90% female fleeing persecution it would be more believable than 90% males leaving their women and children at home.
Nothing in my stance on immigration is about white nor male. It’s about Americans first. People who have paid into the system. People who are my neighbors and friends. We can’t fix the world but we sure need to take care of our own. If infuriates me when [insert race here] Americans can’t get help because others come here ILLEGALLY and DO get benefits (because they claim asylum despite maybe coming from the other side of the world). It’s despicable that disabled people live in their cars because the waiting list is so long to get a housing voucher, same with African Americans, Mexican Americans, Cuban Americans, etc.
We did the whole import black and brown people to cheaply do the cleaning, cooking, picking cotton or food we don’t want to. I don’t want to go back to that.
I’m glad you reject that idea that no one anywhere has ever suggested.
This isn’t a left/right issue. Political power has, from the beginning of the country, been concentrated in the hands of white males. That doesn’t mean every white male had an equal amount of power or wealth. But it does mean that when the people in control make self serving decisions, it also disproportionately benefits other white males, even the ones that don’t have power or wealth.
While there has been plenty of progress in chipping away at the concentration of political and economic strength in the hands of white men, nobody with a functional brain would deny that the power structures are still predominantly white and male. Again, not every white male is wielding power and wealth and not every non white person is prevented from getting some wealth or power. It’s just like a casino game. It’s rigged for the casino to win. You as an individual may win, but over the course of the night, through all of the patrons, the casino will come out ahead. Individual anecdotes like yours aren’t what anyone is talking about. We’re discussing the fact that throughout our society, power and wealth are not distributed equitably and that needs to change.
At no point did I talk about immigration. We have people here, in the country, citizens born here, who are not receiving their fair piece of the pie. I suggested that those who have benefited from privilege will need to accept that losing things they never should have had isn’t a penalty, it’s just setting things right for people who have always been forced to do with less than their share.
You then went on to tell me that more labor competition is bad, and I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were randomly and inexplicably moving the conversation to illegal immigration. But in context, it sure sounded like you were suggesting that keeping opportunities from marginalized citizens is important to keep wages higher.
I went straight to white because the conversation we were having was about employment opportunities available for white Americans vs. employment opportunities available for equally qualified non-white Americans. It was an inherent part of the discussion.
It actually kinda is. But ANYONE in the government is dramatically more powerful and wealthy than those outside of it. SO yeah, even a female Congress woman had more power and money than a male plumber down the street.
Why stop at the beginning of this country? Why even stop at this country and not look at the world? Why not go smaller and look at states? Or individual counties within those states? The reality is if you change that one dynamic, your entire premise falls apart. Go to Miami or Orlando and tell me about the power of white males. Or Brownsville TX.
I specifically discussed illegal immigration in several posts above and was continuing it. Mainly because you seemed to thin I said it’s ok to disenfranchise minorities - I have said the exact opposite above and ONLY stated I believe it’s ok when it’s citizens vs non-citizens.
Actually the conversation is about diversity and inclusion. That doesn’t mean white vs minority. Non -inclusive could mean religious or even citizen status. It’s a nebulous term that can be adopted to the cause of the day. Tomorrow we better see 50% Mormons in the workplace. We need some Hindus. I demand there are not enough Polish in this place. Diversity and inclusion would demand that.
Okay, so despite your first sentence saying it is a left/right issue, you understand that it’s not actually and it’s just about political capital? From either party.
We could, but choosing the country seems relevant when we’re discussing things in the context of US labor.
No, my premise doesn’t fall apart. The premise is that power in the country is concentrated in the hands of white males. That doesn’t fall apart just because some localities (with much less power by the way) don’t fit the model. Power in the country at large is still largely white and male even if power in the city of Miami isn’t.
It had nothing to do with what you and I were specifically talking about. Biases are often the result of fear, that you may lose your world or your jobs, but that they’re not really yours, they belong to all of us. You said that competition is bad for workers wages. I asked if you were actually suggesting that keeping people oppressed is good to keep wages high and then suddenly, immigration.
You and I were specifically having a conversation centered around race. I’m happy to expand it if you want, but that’s not where the two of us were.
I’ve been trying to be patient with you, but if you’re going to continue spouting this type of nonsense just let me know so I can opt out. I have high patience for people who are trying to converse, but I have almost none for people wasting my time with garbage. There is nobody with the capacity for rational thought who believes diversity and inclusion would demand anything like what you just typed.
I don’t like the use of Chief, I think it’s a slight to the leaders of my people and to Native Americans in general.
This is a fallacy perpetuated by people that aren’t where they want to be in life because they have always looked for an excuse not to try hard enough to get what they want. Stallone said it best, I think, in Rocky Balboa.
I have been having multiple conversations in this thread and NONE are only about race. Sorry, I just don’t think race is that important.
And this is where we get to the real deal. You want Diversity Equity and Inclusion to ONLY mean what “YOU” want it to mean. It seems like you don’t understand words can mean a bunch of things while you believe they only mean one thing.
The fact that you can’t see that this position is supposed to be about Diversity, Equity and Inclusion for minorities and women shows you have an agenda. Those words don’t only mean that. It why several posts above many people want this role to be a “make them pay” position where some can get revenge.
Diversity is about all diversity - not just the diversity you like.
Equity should be Equity for all not just your preferred race or sex.
Inclusion should be inclusion for all, not just the ones you like.
I guess we are done. I thought we were discussing in good faith and you actually cared about helping ALL oppressed people. You seem to only care for the ones you seem to care for (for whatever reason)
First of all, I’m quite happy doing what I do. Second of all, if I weren’t, I’m a white male, so how would you spin my dissatisfaction with white male power concentration through that lens?
Third, and most importantly, in 2020, white people made up 57.8% of America. The US Congress in 2021 was 77% white and more than 80% of all CEOs are white.
So, I’ll first ask if you’re aware that 77 and 80 are both greater than 57.8? Second, if so, are you aware that this means a disproportionate amount of power and wealth (represented in this case by Congressional Power and CEO wealth) is concentrated in the hands of white people? While this is an oversimplification in order to provide a fast response, if you want to provide other data that shows numbers closer to that 57.8 percentage you’re welcome to.
