This complaint comes up every few days. Of course it feels bad to not be accepted into a group presumably due to lack of gear, experience, or logs. But there are all kinds of groups.
Some pugs want very specific classes/specs and historical evidence that the player performs well in order to have the smoothest/fastest run possible. Others are more loosey goosey and just accept the first n people who message them and yolo the raid.
I pugged a lot in both phase 1 and phase 2, and going with the latter methodology very often ended with 5/7 in phase 1 and ends with 3/6 in phase 2. The reason many groups do some form of gatekeeping (classes, specs, exp, consumes, logs) is to try to avoid this, because the way raid lockout currently works makes it so that if your group gets stuck on a certain boss, you’re basically done for the reset. There’s no way to reform with different people or fill spots, because no one wants to join a 3/6 group.
Again, don’t really care about your opinion. I will never, have never, and don’t plan on grouping with you. If you think because I have low parses not using a 2H with Crusader Strike and such like the top “prot” paladin on Thermaplugg that makes me bad, then I guess I must be bad. Or that having low Ret parses as a prot paladin makes me a bad ret paladin, I guess you got me there.
As stated by Gothtomboy, it’s people like you who believe big number is the only criteria for being good. Unga-bunga indeed.
You can’t hate the players for working with the system that Blizzard created for their game.
They could 100% change this, even make it like retail where raid ID’s don’t work as they do in Classic.
Players who regularly do 6/6 clears don’t want to join a group or bring ppl into their group that makes them 5/6 or 4/6 locked.
You clearly seem to since went out of your way to accuse me of “hiding”, lol.
Cope harder, lol. You don’t need a two-handed to parse blue. You are just bad.
A lot of people say they have 6/6 experience, almost full BiS, and then fail miserably at mechanics on Electrocutioner.
Not knowing or being prepared for raid instance mechanics can cause wipes, which does take time. If people in the raid haven’t budgeted 3-4 hours for what could take a third or less of that, then it could cost the lockout or even more time trying to fill to complete.
Some groups are just fine going 6/6 without comms or without wipes, and some aren’t able to manage, even with comms.
Different people have different priorities and tend to form groups based on those things. It’s fairly likely that there are groups forming all the time that accommodate a wide variety of playstyles that most people can find something suitable for themselves, though not ever group has to conform to every individual’s preference, and I think that’s a good thing, personally.
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I accused you of hiding because you want to try to call me out, but post on a character that isn’t relevant to the conversation. You posted your logs, kudos on that. Most of the forum trolls are too scared to, so that was refreshing. I have posted my logs several times, good or bad, across multiple toons. Logs don’t tell the whole story.
No, but a tank’s job is maintaining threat. I do so regardless and I can help do utility things like dispel without losing threat or going OOM. I very well could swap to AOW/Exorcist for better parses, but it’s level 40 content on some of the easiest bosses wow has ever created. I don’t need to play super sweaty to down the content. I’d rather the fight go smoothly. This isn’t H LK or whatever the most recent Mythic raid is. Those require more effort to complete, and I’ve done that plenty over the years.
The faster you kill the boss the less risk you have of wiping. Doing more damage also correlates to more threat. Are you sure your DPS don’t have to throttle to not pull threat? Because I know if I don’t pump, the melee hunters will cause threat issues at current gear levels.
Realistically there’s not a great excuse. Maybe if you two tank grubbis and have your parse ruined attacking Chomper who has zero contribution to the log (rip), but that’s about it.
That is gatekeeping and it’s reasonable lol. I would do the same if i was a group leader.
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I agree that meta-chasing is stupid. I also don’t want to pug with people who haven’t done the dungeon though and are going to bring down the group. I think checking logs is reasonable. I think high parse only groups are stupid. There is a middle ground.
If you want to learn the instance, As we all had to, then join a guild or a group specifically for that. Most guilds will carry you and teach you until you get your feet on the ground.
No, dps does not typically need to throttle themselves. Salvation across the board, bombs, righteousness with the electrocutioner’s sword, etc. Tanking threat is really not hard if you’re doing things correctly. I’ve been tanking in this game for a very long time. I am far from the best tank ever, but I’ve plenty of 90-99 parses my entire time playing WoW. While there is some truth to more damage = faster boss kill = smooth run, it isn’t always true or necessary. In WoD, our MT warrior tank was a literal beast who would be 2nd-3rd on the DPS meter when he wore DPS trinkets and gear. This was much to the annoyance of the GM because the tank would get randomly folded by some bosses. Obviously, different game essentially. Classic, we were all Fury Warriors tanking with basically no shields on. I also tanked as a prot paladin back then on the Alliance. So it’s not like I am uninformed about how to maximize my threat to hold aggro off DPS going their hardest.
We do two tank Grubbis as I said originally. We have another prot paladin who is fairly new to the game and he is itching to tank and prove himself. I had consecrate he didn’t. We also have a warlock tank in the guild who is the RL and he was also going MT our first run because Warlocks are pretty beefy atm. So again, as a prot paladin, I am throwing on what DPS gear I have to do the other fights that don’t require 2 tanks. Menagerie and Thermaplugg I was OTing with the warlock, and MTing with the other prot paladin. It’s not so cut and dry when you’re splitting duties like that.
LOL lots of mad cause bad in this thread.
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Maybe be at the dungeon before looking for a group so you don’t force 4 people who are already there to wait a half hour for you to arrive? Of course they kicked you. There’s plenty of people who did what I suggested that they would not need to wait for.
I miss DDO greatly.
They should do a DDO Classic lol
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Bring back gdkps tired raiding with bads who wipe and leave leaving me locked to fail
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Because some groups have warlocks and you won’t know until you join them? Not to mention, sometimes a summoning closet is dropped which then allows that too. If you are impatient, that’s fine. It’s really no sweat off my back as I can literally post “Geared Prot Paladin LFG SM Cath spam speed pulls” and get another instant invite to another group that is either willing to wait or can summon.
Again, half the time I am already through Silverpine before posting and just before Tirisfal. Sometimes I am on my way out that way so I put in while in flight to South Shore. It doesn’t take 30 minutes to ride from SS to SM.
Maybe I should complain when I get invited and everyone is snuggling in the sleeping bag. I have to wait 3 minutes so they can get a buff. So inconsiderate!
Did you just link a video showing you WHY people do this? He didnt check a single person and went 5/6 and it took them 2 and a half hours LMAO. No thanks wont be me
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They never do, then they post crying about it then when you explain the logical reason why people use brain dead arguments and then when they lose call you mad. This is how arguments work in 2024.
If their doc was forced to pass his boards they cry gate keeping and rather be paralyzed for routine surgery.
The gatekeeping has become absurd in P2. We players need to fix this. Stop being so obsessed with logs. Invite the melee dps. Give newer players a chance.
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Parse runs are more than welcome to check logs. there are tons of pugs that dont. I swear you boomers just cry to hear yourself cry
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