Mage in the raid living bombed himself 6 times and pyroblasted himself 4 times. How do these people even survive IRL?
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Government assistance
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They do that so they don’t end up 5/6 like the guy in the video you linked did. If you don’t like it then be the change you desire, make your own groups and invite anyone you want.
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You know whats great about this game? No one is stopping you from making your own Gnomer raid. Cry about it. If you start your raid you can require whatever you want.
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Just form your own raid and don’t check logs and if you have success keep doing it. If you don’t, well now you know.
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True.
That said, if all of your healing parses are straight greys, that is a bit suspicious - if you did the raids early then people were going to take damage and you would have been able to heal. If you didn’t do the raid early, then you possibly don’t have as much experience.
Obviously it isn’t as damning as having a grey parse on DPS. I’ve done one run on my Priest healer, and my Priest has a grey parse, because nobody took damage on crowd pummeler. Two people got one shot, reducing the raid-wide damage going out from the stomp, meaning there just was not enough damage to heal. So obviously there’s nothing really to be done about that. However, I don’t really believe that most raids are at the point where you are forced to grey parse the Council boss or Thermaplugg - there’s just too much damage that is unavoidable and you should at least green parse - you only parse grey if you let the other healer snipe the healing out from under you (you’re probably not good, because even with the other healer pumping there’s enough damage you should get heals in).
So my opinion is I would still take a peek, just to get a general vibe, but I wouldn’t not invite someone just because they had a grey parse or two as a healer. DPS is another story, as mentioned there’s very little reason to have grey parses as a DPS (maybe bomb-duty warlock).
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I took a frost mage to my raid last night. They did great, especially on the bombs.
That’s great to read and I’m sure they will have logs now to help them in future endeavors!
People forget logs also help less good specs. I’ll take 95-99 parsing frost mage over a green parsing hunter.
Haha, maybe, but we don’t check logs on Lava Lash. All you need to join my raid is disc and the ability to follow instructions. This whole raid is built around mechanics anyway; you can clear the whole thing with the worst classes in the game so long as you do the dance properly.
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The most recent raid I tanked was smooth, 1 shotting everything, yet every boss parse the DPS were grey or green parsing, with the occasional blue.
It was no speed run, but we 1 shot everything and got the loot. Makes me wonder how relevant the parsing is in SoD.
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- This is the same logic people use for unreasonable searches… “well if you got nothin to hide…”
- Not limited to people hiding their failure.
I parse 90+ and I just use logs to see where I can improve my own performance for my own sake.
I’m against logs for other people simply because they create an environment where people are looking at snapshots in order to evaluate a raider as opposed to their attitude and/or willingness to learn.
It’s Classic… you have to be a damned idiot to care about others’ logs. If a person is struggling, help them out. If they still can’t make it, carry them and just don’t invite them back. This is not hard.
(We’ve 9-manned Mekk because we didn’t have the bodies one night, and I’ve heard of people doing it with 6…so you have no excuse.)
TL;DR… if you’re checking logs, it means you’re not good enough to be confident you can down them… and you need carried.
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Have you played WoW in the last 5 years? You try to help anyone and they turn into a
- I know what I’m doing
- bro don’t tell me how to play
- I’m actually not even trying to be sweaty bro like relax, stop being a toxic meta gamer
- word ok (doesn’t actually do anything )
- ‘literal silence no acknowledgement’
- the 1% chance they actually listen
People actually don’t have time for this because culturally people have become way too weak for any constructive criticism.
I’d rather look for people with a minimal blue parse average and exp on every fight if it’s a full pug, clear the raid semi easily , than play dr. Phil with grown man children who can take any pointers.
If it’s a full guild run and we actually are str8 up pugging 1 person then sure, I’m okay for a charity case because tbh we could do that raid with 7.
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You know who can follow instructions on Disc and complete raid?
People with 6/6 logs 
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The frost mage I took last night was 4/6. I play on an RP server, low pop compared to the big ones where a lot of the log checking and gnomer gating happens.
If you don’t like that culture, I suggest rolling on a smaller server. I did, and it’s probably the main reason I didn’t quit in P1.
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for grey parsing if youre not a tank or a healer it means you legitimately dont know how to play that class.
if you know your rotation and how to press buttons on a no mechanics fight like grubbis even without gnomer buffs youll hit greens/blues very easily.
if youre a dps and you were tasked with doing mechanics on a boss like mechgineer, or bomb duty, youll parse low sure. but you know what logs will show? that you successfully targeted and did damage to bombs and gasp did mechanics successfully.
itll also show if youre considerate enough to use faps to clear stacks on the cold phase, to not kill the tank, and task the healers unecessarily on mana for dispels when that mana could be used on healing.
if youre parsing grey on a no mechanics fight as a dps, you literally have to be bad at the game or just afk dc’d whatever. like below greens, youre kind of just displaying a lack of skill and selfishness to other people who you want to run with.
tanking? you kept threat and cleared the raid, ok good enough. healing? logs show that you know how to downrank and manage mana and how many people died if at all and to what cause. shows how much healing you did raidwide vs to tank, good raid leads understand that palas heal tanks best, priests and druids are great for raidwide heals.
its really simplified to say that logs are just a requirement to be carried when the real request is the bare minimum “can you do some damage while performing a mechanic or the role youre asked to fulfill, this shows you can to some degree and keeps everyone from having to carry the person who didnt learn the mechanics, the fight, or their basic spell or ability rotation to a bare minimum level while giving them the same ability to roll on loot.” since i ironclad always keep raids ms>os no hrs, to keep it equitable for newcomers or pugs specifically.
if that is genuinely too difficult or confusing that people want to have the players they go with be at least average, and not completely stupid and capable of following instructions in the case of mechanics or whatever, then i would recommend said gamers reroll to a game suited for solo play where your skills arent going to negatively impact the shared experience of playing together with others, in an mmo. solo player rpgs, candy crush, cookie clicker, any and all single player games will not punish you or judge you for being mediocre
group content where you have to perform as a group to succeed and have a good time? yeah, people are going to ask, and theyre going to decide whether or not to bring you based on trackable metrics of perfomance
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I could know 2/7 of my rotation and just not die and parse a blue, gray parses indicate severe lack of uptime , or death.
I mean hell 60% of physical dps damage is usually auto attacking.
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Maybe learn to read people? (You’re one of the people I wouldn’t raid with…you’re a self-fulfilling prophecy.)
The one time I’ve had to PUG thus far, I sat looking at Bulletin board for a long time looking for the right advertisement.
I fit the bill for “PUMPERS 6/6 Checking Logs” groups and could’ve easily gotten a spot within literal minutes.
But I waited for the
- Looking for chill group to do Gnomer
- LF guild run fill
I got a “LF Enhance shaman to fill guild run.” Talked to the raid lead, got a Disc invite… and had a Blast. Amazing raid and we beat their speedrun record. (And they were very chill even when I was about to accidently ninja roll a healer trink from their guild priest…they’d have given it to me because they were adults. I looked again at the trink and just told them to give it to the priest, my bad- because I’m also an adult.)
When I can’t raid with my guild for a lockout again, I’ll look for them.
I wonder why you have this experience so much.
Oh. that’s why.
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yeah youll get blues if you know rotation im like. trying to say that if youre getting grays you have to be messing up completely, dcd, dead whatever like legitimately just tabbed out would probably explain gray parsing
What if you’ve got a gray parse because you spent most of the fight pushing buttons and kill bombs? This is the problem, there’s no room for creativity with logs. It’s uptime and DPS, everything else be damned.
I don’t, remember, oh wait you can’t read that’s okay. That’s the experience OTHER people have. I said I don’t because I don’t invite those people. See this is the level of awareness that probably explains why you don’t like logs. Because they , with all due disrespect, expose you as an idiot.
My experience is having the 6th fastest server clear time ( as told to me since idc about speed running) because I play with 9 competent people who just play to have fun and do need greed roll loot and clear the piss easy content in sub optimal comps with no skips or meta strats.
So I can understand why people hesitate because I’m not even trying and this raid is easy but if people are actually struggling that hard then it means the pool of players to pug with must be so HORRENDOUS you want a filter.
Hold this “L” for me