If this is the case why haven’t you joined a serious mythic+ team or tried to do mythic raids?
It seems you don’t really want to do the competitive aspect of the game?
I’m a big fan of raid and log off and I have a particular amount of time I want to dedicate toward that goal, being ~8 hours a week or less of “I have this time scheduled.”
I’m fine competing within that sphere because I can’t realistically expect to join a mythic raiding guild given that.
You’re not alone in abandoning the gimp classes in favor of the new OP flavor of the forever classes
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i think what a lot of modern wow players (aka changers) need to understand, is that- even if you filled classic up with all of the balances, QOL features, added progression etc, its NOT going to alleviate what modern wow has become. that is set in stone and you need to come to terms with what it has become. no matter if you like it or not. and once you can do that, going back to a historical recreation- will be a lot easier.
ill be playing hunter. so there is that assumption out the window.
Implying that after 14 years of not being able to find that point that Blizzard could magically do it for Classic.
I’m not asking for perfection. WOTLK was close enough for my tastes as far as class design is concerned. Also, just because they couldn’t find it doesn’t mean we should accept the state of vanilla as it was, which has the most blatantly OP crap the game has ever seen. I mean it’s fine if you think we should. Like I said, I’ll just roll that FOTM and enjoy being knowingly OP.
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Pretty much this. The discussion is over. They’re not rebalancing. 1.12 is what we get. The devs are committed to an authentic Vanilla experience, and that means accepting it for what it is. Ion said they don’t want to apply modern class design because then the entire philosophy of the game is down the drain. Pandora’s Box is opened and it’ll never be shut.
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Well you already know my thoughts about WotLK and the alleged homogenization of classes.
Unfortunately for you, Blizzard agrees with me that class balance in Vanilla should not change so I guess you’ll be a dime a dozen Warrior.
In either case my original point about mentioning this whole thing was: Raids that are min/maxing to a very high degree are a special case that balancing so that every spec is equally wanted in those types of raids is neither possible nor desirable.
I doubt it’s going to be as special of a case as you think, unless you think the current m+ elitism isn’t indicative of the entirety of people running m+ (which it is). Elitism will be the standard in vanilla. Scrub specs need not apply. Nost is proof of this. Live is proof of this. Both of these are the actual communities that will be participating, and both are HEAVILY elitist.
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pservers say otherwise. You think all those m+ players that like BFA are going to drop it and play wow classic ?
Retail and classic are two very different games.
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Nost is elitism DEFINED. It was as bad as any game has ever been in the elitism department (not that I’m complaining; I enjoy elitism).
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I’m talking about extreme min/maxing of “If it’s not optimal, it’s worthless”. In terms of modern WoW, this would be the raids actively trying for world firsts.
We’ve also seen what private server class distribution is like, and it’s not the “nobody will play hybrids!” that people here love to go on about.
Sorry…never played Nost. Have played on ND though and found plenty of casual friendly players. Also lots of casual/social guild recruiting.
Then again player types tend to segregate …casuals in their level 30’s while those hardcore-got-to-raid-or-die folks are closer to 55 and rushing.
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Just because it’s not necessary for people because they aren’t trying for world first doesn’t mean they don’t adopt the mindset of the elite. That’s what elitism is. Private server class distribution looks exactly like what’s being discussed here. That’s the point. Everyone plays warriors, mages, and rogues, and there are very few people who play hybrids, with even LESS of those people playing dps specs within those hybrids.
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And your point ? You already said you’re a competitive elitist.
So you and your guild will all be the right classes with the right talents and the right gear.
The rest of us will play what we want for fun.
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That’s fine, but that means balance doesn’t matter to you at all or apply so your opinion doesn’t matter. You’ll be in the minority. Classic is going to be equal mix nost elitists (the people who made the petition and pushed this through), people from live with current live mindsets (more elitism like nost), and people like me with unfinished business.
The “classic is more bettur and I enjoy hurr-durring around the world on my mid-level doing fetch quests” isn’t a large part of the market like it is with live.
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Are you saying that classic player base will be elitists + elitists + elitists ?
Sorry champ…casuals make up the bulk of any MMO out there.
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Classic is a special case of people who pushed really hard because they wanted a true classic raid experience. Raiders are already a specific subset, and the people who were pushing for this to be a reality as well as the people who will bother to even stick with classic versus live (which is vastly more casual friendly than classic, as well as has things like achievments, quality of life, etc). Yes. I assume it’s going to be a pool of elitists from various parts of the game.
Plus if we look at the population distribution of Northdale right now, then either there are plenty of casuals or elitists seem to think that classes like Paladin and Hunter aren’t a waste of time.
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There’s plenty of people who play pservers that don’t raid because pservers are free. Those cheap/poor casuals won’t exist here. They’re simply playing because free wow.