I don’t understand why Blizzard makes the catch up mechanic more difficult, non puggable dungeons. Shouldn’t catch up mechanics be easier and therefore puggable so that the people who need them (ie don’t have a fixed group to play with) can just do them at their own pace?
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The Hour of Twilight dungeons is legit the catch up mechanic for Dragon Soul, the new protocols is just an added bonus ontop of that.
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100% puggable if everyone isn’t trying to skip the 1 or 2 catch up steps before it. Even then it’s just slower.
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Just look at retail their catch up dungeon is just normal heroics with no real difference at all they just now drop higher ilvl gear and people clear those dungeons by mob train and AOE the whole dungeons down in 5 mins. (At least they did in Dragonflight) And I didn’t see people dislike it, I guess its because Mythic+ are a thing.
I think Infernos 100% HP and 25% Damage was good enough overall I guess it could have been 50% instead of 100% but details, maybe add the cool buff you will get in the Twilight Elemental dungeons to Inferno to make them faster which is what most people complain seem to be focus on. (It takes too long)
By what I saw so far the new Infernos might be faster than the current infernos due to the massive buff you get in them.
Its only not puggable if you are cheesing the ilvl requirements with crap off spec gear/loot in bags that is never equipt
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Mythic 0’s do add new mechanics to bosses
they aren’t talking about M0, in retail the literal heroic dungeons that you queue into get increased ilvl as the seasons progress.
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Then their argument makes even less sense because no one does regular heroics when M0 and now delves exist
I’m talking about heroic every new phases of an expansion they up the normal heroic dungeon gear ilvl without changing anything else.
See above. Regular heroics are irrelevant because there are other avenues of catch-up that both do change up the formula, and straight up just give better catch-up gear
Tons of people do not even do mythic 0 because you cannot queue for it using LFG as for Delve, I have no idea I didn’t buy the new expansion, but I did hear they drop decent gear and I’m not sure how the delve ilvl scale, if it scale of your current ilvl or not, if it scale off your current ilvl then its not a good catch up mechanic for fresh alts from past season/phase.
Normal Heroic in retails are hands down the easiest fastest way to catch up in ilvl after a new season/phase came out since people can spam them and just get carried and nobody care since they are super ultra easy and fast.
You’re right for the wrong reason. People don’t bother with M0 because M+ sucks in season 1, and anyone not interested in M+ do delves instead, which give ilevel 606 gear for completion (Champion track) and 616 in the vault (Heroic track) compared to a heroic dungeon’s 580 drops
Straight up wrong. Even in Dragonflight before the introduction of Delves, each phase introduced a new catch-up system in the overworld that was way better for gearing alts. Now with delves which will also be scaling with each phase it’s not even a consideration
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True and real.
Well except you hit 85 with i lvl 300-320 and you need 365 to queue for the HoT dungeons.
The Classic team hates casuals.
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The catchup is that you can buy last teirs valor gear for justice
fixed for you 
Gearing my alt was fairly easy as i simply ran heroics with guildies who needed chaos orbs until i had adquit gear to queue for Infernos.
Right now you can get close to 370 without even stepping foot in an inferno dungeon. It will be even easier when firelands gear is purchased for justice.
The only things you really have to worry about is weapon, shoulders and helm which you can get pvp gear for those slots. The stat increase from the 40-50ilvl increase will be much more beneficial than using a 346 item. Even for casters its like 700ish more spell power for just a weapon alone.
Yeah its a grind, but you really dont need to do the other steps in the catchup. Cata didnt have these other dungeon difficulties and people still caught up so they arent needed now.
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Yeah well you can’t even queue up for anything other than Normal Dungeons with that ilvl range anyway.
But like the post before this mentions, the current valor gear becomes justice gear.