Yea this content is brain dead and most of them still can’t do it.
I quit retail WoW in cataclysm and never touched WoW again (besides vanilla private servers) until classic. This is most of the classic playerbase that pushed for classic.
Ironic thing about this is people who say this are the same people who worship wrath which was the easiest iteration of WoW of all time. The heroics and first tier literally insult your intelligence. Most hardcore classic fans will give you that pernerf cata heroics were one of the very few redeeming qualities about cata… and they were nerfed to death in a matter of weeks thanks to people who started in wrath crying on the forums and RDF fundamentally being in incompatible with challenging content.
I mean you say easy and I think phase 1 is really making people comfortable, most of the player base won’t do most hard modes.
Most of the player base couldn’t even do pre nerf sunwell
The classic player base is pretty bad overall.
I agreed with everything you wrote up until that sentence. So I didn’t like your original post because it had that in it, otherwise it would have gotten more likes (I believe)
Yea, I just don’t see people wanting Cata… myself included.
I don’t agree with your reasoning, but overall sentiment about it being a thing.
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I speak on behalf of myself and also I believe very many other people that Wotlk was evidently the greatest expansion we got before WoW went downhill and changed drastically. Blizzard would be wise to put an end to the classic expansions there and instead improve wotlk and add content without adding expansions.
In the case they did add Cataclysm, they should add it on seperate servers from the wotlk servers, just like they did with Classic and Classic TBC/wotlk servers…
If they add Cataclysm to the wotlk servers I will quit WoW, amongst surely ALOT of people.
Don’t do it Blizzard.
Cata is why subs dropped, not RDF
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I’d gladly skip over Cataclysm and the horrible MoP right to WoD!
waiting for cataclysm so wow can be good again thanks
There is no reason not to drop already finished content to see how many people will pay 15 bux for it.
It really cant be stressed enough how low cost progression servers are compared to actually making new code, new art assets, new encounters, new gear, new mechanics, etc.
We will prob get WOD because even the most hated wow xpack would make money.
Na. Wrath is the grey area between classic and retail. It’s still a great game thanks to the old WoW aspects that are still in tact, and WoW was ruined in cataclysm when it shifted full scale into retail.
Vanilla WoW is BiS, and is the perfect skeleton to mold a new WoW/classic+. I’ll give you though wrath (as well as tbc) do some things right that were lacking in vanilla WoW. The class design in vanilla needs a major overhaul, and a classic+ should take inspiration from both tbc and wrath. Make all the specs work at some aspect of the game, give most classes a real raiding rotation, but don’t dip toes into the water of homogenization like they did in wrath by giving multiple of the same buffs to different classes, giving every class an aoe, etc.
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Classic+ will never happen. Lucky for you Era will always be there waiting for you.
If you play on Friday nights I heard you can get in on one of the two bgs being played that night.
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This is what I heard from retail players when nostalrious was shut down back in legion, and here we are now. You might be right, and probably are, but once in a while blizzard gains a brain cell for a moment, otherwise we wouldn’t have classic at all.
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If they modified the dungeons to not have every single pull require perfect CC and get rid of 1 shot mechanics on the bosses. I mean as far as leveling goes its not that bad. Just the ridiculous risk vs reward it offer. Beat your head against the wall to finish a heroic and get a blue piece of gear.
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Great great post. Though I’d argue the big corruption in wow started with patch 2.4 and removal of attunements. Wotlk damaged class identity and lots of other things to a great extent. But I agree Cata was the final nail in the coffin and literally destroyed everything. The only thing the new game and old game have in a common are some names and graphics.
As someone who played lots of classic so far, I personally wouldn’t play Cata.
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Yep, but you know what makes more Money? Brand Image. BMW could probably make a lot more money for a year or two by cutting on the quality of their parts instead of sticking to high quality standards. But what would happen after that year or two, you lose your brand image.
That’s what happened to wow. A glorious game that people fell in love with started changing it’s philosophy and turned it’s back to their most loyal and hardcore players to satisfy their casual customers. Of course that brought them lot of money in short terms. But look where it got them now. The brand image is totally damaged.
You know what I’d do if I was Blizzard? I’d invest money into revitalizing the brand. I’d bring in people to make a new expansion based on the philosophy of the old game to revive wow name like the OP said. The key is to bring in some people who not only understood the philosophy and the essence of the old game but also felt it and lived it. It’s totally possible. There is lot of talent out there. Take some of these PServer people. They understand the old game better than most current Wow employees. Also Lot of the old designers will come in if the the right team’s there and goals are clear.
Bring back glory to WoW’s name again.
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But people don’t have to pay for it - if they are already subbed they get it for free. I’m not sure Cata Classic will be a net long-term uptick in customers. If Cata comes along and WOTLK isn’t also left intact I’ll cancel my two accounts for good. I only came back for WoW Classic, and I consider that to end at the end of WOTLK.
They havent even had to try for over a decade because they had that much goodwill built up, people started calling stuff out after the activision merger, it took the cosby suite before we saw overall sentiment towards blizzard turn negative.
Even when they made mistakes, players who had come to love them would defend every choice made. At this point its too late, and they are a small part of a larger companys, fact is blizzard games dont make dick for money compared to king games, also part of the same company.
So why would investors want to dump money into a blizzard PR tour, when king games already dwarfs their revenue without trying?
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In my honest FACTINION, WoW only started getting good the more power it gave to the soloist. Traditional MMOers are bothered by that, but that’s okay because I heard that EQ 1.29 is coming out next month. I have personal interests of a deep PVP sort(since that’s now on the decline in Retail), but Classic Cata should happen merely because it is at its core the main Azerothian expansion.
I’m in the tent of Cata-Mists-Warlords being the best trio of expansions: it was after the can’t-do-jack-by-yourself days of the first three versions of WoW and before the borrowed-power-screwing-everything-up trio of Leg-BFA-SL.
WoD was trash, outside of the raids. Great expansion for pure raidlogging.
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