Blizzard made a bet that very few would quit if there was no wrath era. You proved they were right, as have most of those asking for wrath era here. Almost everyone said they were still paying a sub to play some version of wow even if it wasn’t Cata.
No, your opinion on how good does not make you a conspiracy theorist. Claiming that Blizzard engineered a survey to get the result they want does however.
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By the same 10 people with their alts.
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Actually I have cancelled my sub, ending in 1½ months or so. I might re-sub … I probably will, but first after a period of no sub. Just to tell Blizz that I disagree with their way of handling this.
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You’re acting like I presented it as fact, which is not what happened. I gave a speculation that is likely not true, sure, but I’m allowed to express how I feel about Cata, regardless of how incorrect others feel it may be.
The only fact I’m presenting, subjectively of course, is that I enjoyed Wrath so much better than Cata, and felt it was better. I also know that sometimes when customers demand a product, sometimes a company listens and actually provides it. Supply and Demand 101, right? So I’m just lending my voice to that end, regardless on whether or not Blizzard cares to fulfill the supply.
If that bothers you so much that you feel the need to provide a hollow response to it in an attempt to denigrate me, then suffice it to say that I’m not interested in speaking further on it with you.
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That’s OK. You are leaving anyway and I’m not interested in any conversation with a conspiracy theorist.
Not completely aligned with OP’s reasons, but the topic is spot on. Cata is a big mistake. It makes no sense at all. Cata was the main reason we needed classic. Cata deleted the original two continents and much of the content that original players enjoyed, which spawned private servers and Blizzard’s eventual concession and creation of Classic.
We needed classic because of Cata deleted Vanilla wow. Now we have Cata delete classic. Its lunacy really.
Also, why are there no TBC or Wrath servers? Blizzard established the practice when we moved to TBC. We had the option to purchase a paid copy of our characters on a 1-60 era server before migrating. Why was this option removed? I would have done so again.
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“Cata deleted the original two continents and much of the content that original players enjoyed” - True
" which spawned private servers" - False. Private servers were around long before Cata
“We needed classic because of Cata deleted Vanilla wow” You have classic. Vanilla Era has been around for quite a while
“why are there no TBC or Wrath servers” - I have no proof, but as a commercial company I have no doubt Blizzard has done a cost/benefit analysis and determined they are not viable.
“Blizzard established the practice when we moved to TBC.” - False. Blizzard promised a Vanilla Era server. At NO time did they promise to provide era servers beyond that.
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I disagree with you, but honestly man I’m thrilled to read a thoughtful, well constructed argument instead of the usually “How about no.”
How many threads do we currently have full of people saying that they want Vanilla?
Well, very few, if any at all. Because they have it.
People want Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath bundled together to form the full and complete Classic experience. That’s what we’re asking for when we say we want Classic, it’s not rocket science to figure out.
Why people seem to have this notion that “classic = vanilla only” in their heads is beyond me.
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Did you actually read what you quoted me as saying? Or what the poster said that I was replying to? Read it carefully then get back to me.
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He did. I think his point was that we define “Classic” as Era/TBC/WOTLK - These versions mostly retained the original leveling experience, maps, quests, gear. Cata was the beginning of modern wow, which extends to today. The cata client and map is much more similar to the latest versions of wow than these first three.
The request is to retain classic wow, defined as pre-cata.
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I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I read it, yes. I quoted what I felt needed addressed, but if you want me to break down their and your entire posts with counterpoints then here we go:
I agree with this guy. Nothing here to address but in the interest of patting him on the back, here we are.
Oh cool, we’re on the same page here. Nothing to counter with.
Also true on your part. No need to address anything but since I’m apparently required to, here we are, yet again.
See my post above. I’m not repeating myself.
And yet I imagine that if you were to poll the people on a lot of these pservers, they’d probably say they’d pay Blizzard to have some sort of Era server in each of these expacs. We have several threads in the Cata Classic and at one point in General Discussion expressing this, ironically the same threads that some people want to see come to a halt.
You are, again, right here. But they also never said they were never entertaining the idea of further Era servers existing, in fact they said they were hearing feedback. So, based on that, people are expressing their desire for this, and again are being met with the response of “shut up about it already”, mainly from other players.
Read what I quoted you as saying? Check.
Read what Jef said? Check.
Overanalyzed every bit of those two posts? Check.
Responded according to each point I overanalyzed? Check.
THANK you, yes, this is what I’m saying.
My guy, after all this, if you tell me I’m missing the point, then I have absolutely no idea much more basic I need to break it down for you. Letter by letter, perhaps?
You said in another topic something to the effect that if someone plays on a pserver then that tell you the extent of that person’s ethics because those pservers are stealing Blizzard’s IP, yes? While I agree, but I think that if Blizzard actually kept an Era server around, people would play on it. Personally, I certainly would. And I certainly did when Wrath Classic was here.
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Why delete the characters?
Because I do not want to play Cata onwards. I was all the time hoping for a Wrath Era server - still am, and keeping those two untouched - hoping against wisdom.
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The reason wow was released in 2004 was to make money. It did, so expansions were released. As long as the expansions made money new expansions were released. It’s possible vanilla classic was released with no expectation that it would be profitable. It might have been an experiment or a legal maneuver to protect blizzard’s IP. But BCC, wrath, and Cata Classic were all released with the expectation they would make money for blizzard. That’s all the sense they need to make.
The most likely reason is that blizzard looked at the amount of money Vanilla era servers made and it wasn’t sufficiently profitable. Since the only reason Blizzard releases games is to make a profit they decided it didn’t make any sense to have BC era and Wrath era servers.
They probably could/should have done an era server for each at leasr, but cata itself is not a mistake, its fun as hell
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I think cata is going to be better than wrath. I’m kind of hyped tbh.
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It’s the only way to counter an unhealthy addiction. If he still kept his characters he’d be tempted to come back later
Unfortunately since he kept 2 of them that kind of defeats the point
What part of that don’t you get dim bulb? Vanilla WoW is still there. How about YOU learn to read as well. Classic is not mentioned.