Casual Players have no chance with this expansion

You covenant has a full set that you can buy with anima based on your renown level. So if you just do your regular questing, and a few weekly dungeon quests, along with world quests you can buy the set and upgrade it with your anima to a level set by your renown level. As long as you capped your renown level every week, it should be around 184-190 ilvl cap.

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Oh, ok thanks, had no idea you could get a full set from renoun. Thought that was mostly for cosmetic.

You can then do some unrated battlegrounds and fill in the weapons and trinket pieces with honor. Same thing, you buy the base piece and upgrade it with honor. So with some moderate play time, you can get a set of gear that is around m0 level in a few weeks.

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I play two hours a day, sometimes more. So far it’s actually been pretty great, I don’t care about your expectations of “having a chance.”

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Yep I’ve been trying to help carry in arena, since it is by far the fastest way to gear up but it can be a struggle. Especially with our comp.

Covenant campaign gives you a full set. Just complete it, and upgrade the pieces to 190 on the upgrade NPC.

There’s 2 sets from renown : the campaign set, which is now fully unlocked as of renown 21, and the Renown set itself, which fully unlocks around Renown 32.

The first set is usable. It’s actual gear. The 2nd set is pure cosmetics.

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TBH, In bfa I leveled 7-12 Alts, in shadowlands, I have only leveled 4 of them, and i don’t want to level the others. too much.

And you wont actually answer what amount of time in the game, with the loot drought many are complaining about, should be spent to get gear. Since, you also ignore the fact you could run a m+ and now would only get one piece of gear, two if its timed, so realistically, you could spend hours a day and get NOTHING. Same as the raid. They are dropping abysmal amounts of loot, and you would spend countless hours and get nothing. So people are also doing content, and getting nothing. So yeah, what is the threshold of should get gear vs not since you seem to think you know best here

Thank you for your incredibly thoughtful breakdown, Seaisleice!

A lot about this latest expac has been bothering me but you put it all into words beautifully…

The current game intent feels like it is to force-funnel players into specific content that a lot of players don’t want to do, to the point that anything short of that specific endgame content is made to be either a complete chore or intentionally unrewarding.

Le sigh.

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Your question is incoherent. And I’ve already answered it. Time spent in game should not automatically entitle you to gear in my opinion. Now your turn

(This is the 7th time I think you’re avoiding answering it and its clear that everyone can see that you’re being amusingly unreasonable – even you.) You just don’t have the courage to either admit you’re wrong or answer:

Since you say that time spent in game should entitle you to gear, how many hours should entitle you to heroic CN gear and how many hours should entitle you to regular CN gear?

yeah. You can do 2 pet battles and a world quest. That’s not the game lol

Yep. They forgot when Legion launched, and now we are on Legion 3.0.

But even content doesn’t mean gear either. As stated you can run 10 m+ and not get a thing. So there needs to be some bad luck protection to give people gear, via a currency or vendor, and then it makes everything fine.

Casuals would get a bit for WQs, etc. Those running high end raids get more, and then they can strive for something and still get SOMETHING in the end

Pretty cowardly if you can’t either admit you were wrong about time in game entitling you to rewards or tell us how much time in game should entitle you to 1 piece of CN Heroic gear. 8th time you’ve embarrassed yourself avoiding the question.

You never answered me. You just said there is no time that should justify it, then chalked up my answers to things I never said, and are specifically saying I am saying they deserve gear from Nathria, when I never did say that. There could easily be gear ilevel without coming from the raid. Your thinking is very narrow and sad dude.

I’ve answered your questions many times. You’re either expecting some kindergarten level arguments or you’re forgetting that you said that participation in game should not reward you with mythic raid gear. So does it follow that it should reward you with heroic? what about normal raid gear? And how much participation in game should give you normal CN raid gear? Or are you saying it shouldn’t?

Show me where I said it should be nathria gear. I never did.

Just wait, at level 60 you’ll be weaker than you were at level 50 (when it was lvl120) lol
Just try going back and soloing things in BoA that you use to be able to do without issue.

So let us know - what’s the number of hours you need to play per week to get 1 piece of CN normal gear?

Jared, there’s no shame in saying you’re wrong - just playing the game should not entitle you to raid gear at any level when raiding literally doesn’t entitle you to gear.

They obviously do. If they just wanted to do the storylines and normal/heroic dungeons they’d be doing it. “Having a chance” clearly means either high difficulty levels of PVE (H/M raids or M+), or high ranked PVP, because those are the only things that actually require a high time commitment. The complaint would make no sense if you interpreted it as being about actual casual content.

They want to be hardcore without putting in time.

Anyone who hasn’t killed Mythic Denathrius yet is already behind. Forget about who you’re behind and make your goals about you.

I would say WoW isn’t a race, but actually there was a race. It’s over. You probably weren’t in it.

Progress at your own pace and don’t sweat the fact that someone else is putting in more time and progressing farther per week. (I’d say progressing faster, but if they’re putting in more time, isn’t that kind of the opposite of being faster?)