Do something else. You need at least 6 hours a day to get something done. 1 hour a day is just a waste of your time.
Itâs really not a logical disconnect. Nathria is the 1st raid of the expansion. Itâs not gated to casual community. You can experience all the content this game has to offer as a casual player. Thus Shadowlands being catered more towards casuals and why they find the need to make gearing so fast compared to older xpacs, why itâs easier to rank up and get rewarded from PvP, why itâs easier to earn something as simple as an extra/premium mount. Sure there are extremely rare mounts that still require enormous time sink into them but thatâs not experiencing content really.
Nothing in this game is particularly gated from casuals. Itâs just difficult for them to break into the end-game scene (which still isnât that difficult at all compared to older xpacs).
Obviously theyâre catering Nathria for people who want to raid. But they are still allowing opportunity for casual players.
I donât quite get what your argument is? My whole point is to prove Retail is more catered towards casuals. Iâm not asking for them to make it easier. You guys are just arguing semantics about the word casual and then inputting your own opinion on what raiding/experiencing end-game content is⌠nevermind all of this is moot point because Nathria really isnât end-game content. the xpac just began. This is the easiest raid of this expansion likely.
Casuals donât wanna raid, dude. They donât wanna Mythic+. They may not even wanna do heroics. All that stuff involves doing inherently uncasual things, like studying up encounter mechanics or selecting only optimal talent and gear choices or caring about RIO scores.
Not caring about tryhard stuff/not being a raider got you way further in Vanilla than it does in Retail, because less of the total content was endgame. There was a more enjoyable experience meant for you if you didnât care to do that stuff.
Yes, it is easier than ever for casuals to stop being casuals and raid or mythic+. That came at the expense of the content that is enjoyable to casuals.
Think of it this way: The most accessible endgame content design possible would be an xpac that redesigns the level experience to be a short class tutorial before putting everyone in a lobby where they queue for M+ or Nathria. No requirements, no gear, no gating, everyone can raid or run dungeons and just play their character.
You say, âEveryone can experience all the content who wants to!â. As you might imagine, a whole bunch of people complain on the forums about losing their world, their sense of progression, their character identity, their lore, whatever. They complain about how theyâre treated in groups. They complain about RIO. Maybe they wanna be suboptimal and play the game. They get told âThis game isnât for you anymore. Go back to Classic.â So the casuals go away.
Do you then say âthis game caters to casuals too muchâ? No! They were forced out! So hardcore content is easier to access!
The people you actually picked up from that approach, who are now raiding who maybe didnât before, are the people who are now referred to by the tryhards as casuals. That is the semantic disconnect weâre having in this conversation. You and I are talking about two different types of people.
The funny thing is, weâre not that far off from that hypothetical being reality. The only thing holding them back is the need to keep people busy for 2 years.
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Two words.
Filthy casuals.
If you truly only have one hour at most for a game, you should probably spend it on a mobile game. WoW (especially the higher tier stuff) is not meant to be accessible to every single person, especially people with such little free time.
The logical disconnect is on your end. We can repeat this till youâre blue in the face, but you donât seem to understand it:
Raiding is not casual content. Not because itâs inaccessible, but because CASUALS DONâT WANT TO RAID. Itâs not that they canât. Itâs that they donât want to. It doesnât appeal to them. Itâs not a matter of difficulty. Itâs a matter of convenience. Itâs a matter of wanting to spend the sporadic time you get in the game with your four buddies, not with 24 acquaintances. I donât know how many times itâs going to have to be repeated for you.
I was referring to time gating, not gatekeeping from raid content.
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I understand you completely. Iâm ready to take a break already, and weâre just now getting into raiding. So many grindy quests is such a turn off. On Topic though - if you have an hour to play, Diablo 3 is the perfect game for you. Dungeons only take 5 - 10 minutes depending on what difficulty you set. Only problem there is the never-ending slot machine that is the loot. It takes a long time to get the best stats on best gears.
They donât have time to play, yet they have time to make a 300+ post thread complaining about not having enough time.
^^^^ This.
I may eventually pug a normal raid or two but thatâs it. Maybe even a +4 mythic. I treat the game as a fun diversion.
Itâs not a second job.
Normally Iâd shoot down this sort of âCasuals are suffering in this type of contentâ mentality, but⌠The anima prices for upgrades are too damn high.
âHereâs 70 anima from a world quest. Only 4930 to go to get a tier 2 upgrade! Now do that 4 times.â
And itâs not even something you can grind out in one go when you have a batch of free time. You canât just be like âOkay, I have Saturday free, so I can spend X hours just doing stuff I couldnât do throughout the weekâ. No, itâs all tied to WQs and dailies so they can cap the potential anima income.
Honestly, if someone is real casual theyâre better off coming back in 4 months or so when theyâre liable to increase the rates at which we get anima.
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Super casual
Max Renown (for the week)
165 iLevel ( and climbing )
Just did first heroic dungeon
1040 / 1250 Soul Dust towards Legendary
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Iâd dip from this game if I were you. Not friendly to those who canât dedicate your life to it.
1 hour a day, this game and access to end game content isnât open to 1 hour a day players. Itâs an MMO Afterall . Your ilvl reflects the amount you play . Thereâs absolutely nothing wrong with it. You have access to LFR so you will see the dungeon bosses eventually and heroic and normal of every dungeon. Your just missing out of same content just more difficult. So itâs not like your seeing sort of the same content as others But if you want to start mythic raiding or doing M+ your going to need far more hours daily invested.
The way this used to work is that people would complain about end game being too much of an investment, and youâd then learn they were trying to roll 10 alts that were raid ready.
Itâs quite apparent that at this stage, this isnât an alt friendly expansion. Your secondary character will need to acquire everything your main does, which means doubling the workload for every alt you want to play at a competitive level.
That isnât sustainable for a casual player, unless theyâre a bit off base about how much free time they actually have. Blizzard will likely introduce some catch up mechanics in a later patch, but for right now? nah.
See I made one alt ( level 50 boosted mage ) for enchanting but I may level more alts as this expansion seems to be really alt friendly in my opinion.
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Sure if a profession mule is what youâre after, thatâs one thing. But to do other stuff, youâre acquiring conduits, soul ash, trying to land leggo memories, unlocking soul binds / renown, chasing anima, basically doing the exact same thing youâd do on your main. Thereâs no real shortcut provided, though renown does go a bit quicker.
When I can only be a casual player I do things like pet battles, pvp, make gold, quests, farming, LFR, sometimes normal mode until I got booted.
I think you can pretty much mark up anything worth doing in life can rarely casually be done well.
This is like walking into a stadium, up to the platform, proclaiming Obama gay, dropping the mic, and waiting for applause.
Response may be unpredictable.
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And how do you know what casuals want? I get you guys are arguing people who donât have enough time and want to raid are not casuals but a person who only has 1 hour to sink into the game a day but still can manage to raid is still a casual player no matter how you look at it because that person isnât playing cpmpetitively, heâs not trying to clear world first, heâs not grindin out for full consumes/buffs and for people whoâs clearing mythics, theyâre not going on the leaderboards like crazy.
A casual by definition is someone who does something irregularly, not someone who has no interest in raids. The reason why I mention semantics is because people have changed the meaning of what casual means to fit a playerbase.
Because I know the demographic Iâm talking about was explicitly targeted by the original designers of WoW in their vision for the game. Raiding was not a thing that everyone or even most people were expected to go do. Thatâs why it was originally gated in a way that ensured only the most committed would experience it. It was a very deliberate move on their part.
Notice how the criteria to be in that hardcore group have become more exclusive with time as it became easier and more mandated to raid. Used to be âraiderâ was all you needed to know about a person to determine what group they fit in. That tiny 5% or <1% of the population back in Vanilla or TBC is still probably about the same size subset of the population that gets to be called hardcore today.
What changed? The content changed. People of all walks are expected to raid now. The raider is being catered to. He finds it easier and faster to get to the content he wants, he needs to make less of a commitment to get to it, and many, many systems are engineered into the game (or OUT of the game) and adjusted to texture his experience. He has become the favored customer.
Meanwhile, for the OG casual who just wants to mess around and do the leveling and questing and absorb the lore and enjoy their RPG, the person the vast majority of the original experience was meant for, what content is left for him is ash in his mouth. It has to be in order to facilitate the complex progression schema designed by raiders, for raiders.
The leveling and world experience he wants has been squished down and smoothed out by scaling algorithm so everyone can turbo off to level cap as quickly as possible without thinking about it too much, making room for a ballooning skyscraper of escalating âprogressionâ content. His stuffâs been replaced by the previous guyâs stuff.
Itâs poison, though. They still gotta keep feeding the content sharks, and minimizing the world experience puts them right at the doorstep, in great numbers. Thatâs why theyâve contrived all this goofy unnatural dripfeed and infinitely repeatable content to meter stuff out.
Naw, dude. Blizzard started to change what casual was when they began refocusing the gameâs design around expanding the âendgameâ experience into the official path for everyone. They created that space for people who want to do endgame to push progression and not be too sweaty doing it. You call these low-tier raiders casuals. I get where youâre coming from, donât worry.
The people I call casuals, who donât want that to be a part of their experience yet had it imposed on their space, fell by the wayside a long time ago. Thatâs why I say this xpac isnât catering to them. Hell, Iâm having to spend all this breath wrestling the term back from you so I can even name them as a demographic! Thatâs how total the loss is.
The confusion about this long-term slide is why the community canât figure out if this xpac hates casuals or serious players more, FWIW.
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