Can you all stop with the P2W "argument"? Let's debate

Paying for a token to get gold is using said gold to bypass learning the encounter for oneself to earn one’s gear.

Yes, the others are ahead.

The P2W part is that they are handed gold to not let you play while then giving you their rewards afterwards.

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They still had to put in effort to earn that gold or money. So I don’t see how you can say they have an advantage

A user that pays to bypass content encounters and still earns gear by paying people to clear it for them, and then after, give them the loot outside because no one would let them in to learn the encounter and therefore earn the gear.

People are getting gear that by game design intent are not earning and therefore do not deserve.

You are apparently choosing to not see this truth.

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What are you talking about. Economics is part of the game. That’s like saying buying stuff of the auction house for professions is pay to win because the player didn’t go out and farm the mats on his own.

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Are they clearing the content?
Nowhere in ToS or anywhere else does it say one must earn and deserve the rewards they get. This is actually just a player mindset, period.
In fact, I’ve seen many players over the years literally be dead for every boss fight in raids and STILL get their gear. They didn’t EARN it did they?

RL money.

For in game gold.

The in game gold NOT from RL cash is no issue.

It’s the RL cash driving up AH prices and providing inflationary gold into the economy that’s the issue.

Are you choosing to be this dense?

By their logic, this is actually true.

Did they get into the encounter and put in the deaths?

If it costs no gold to repair one’s gear after an attempt, no, it’s not earned.

However.

If a player does in fact die, and does so for days, weeks, or months, and incurs gold debt to repair their gear?

then yes, those players DO earn their gear.

Not everyone has the time to farm gold. This is perfectly fine and it doesn’t affect other players in any way what so ever. The only place where boosts should be banned is pvp.

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Exactly.
There you have it. Pay for Convenience.

Again, likely posted elsewhere.

AH prices for level cap high end items and gear would like a word with you.

Again… not affecting other players

Minimum wage outside of third world economies is a much better option than spending the same time in-game to earn rewards. The player profits from buying Tokens.

Value Based Pricing.

Is not Pay to Win

It does affect other players.

AH prices are so high for the quality end game items because they assume others are spending RL cash on gold to pay for the obscene 100,000+ gold prices for stuff.

At this point, you choose to deny the issue.

All this debate over some losers with no skill or gold. Of course, they would consider paying someone to cheese them through content to get a piece of gear “winning”.

Here you go, Lord Farquad. Here’s your empty “win”!

The world needs people who think like this, it keeps the lights on. :upside_down_face:

AH is a horrible metric for anything in an MMO and always has been.
Players have no concept of how an actual market works and routinely inflate the price on things simply because they can, then drive everything to depression era stats and the AH ultimately become useless.
Literally the case in every MMO.

At the end of the day, if I’m enjoying my time playing, that’s literally all that matters.
I don’t care how other people play the game as it has no impact on me at all.

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Ah prices are high because of the amount of gold in the game. It has nothing to do with tokens. I don’t buy tokens and have 4 million gold sitting in bags doing eff all. If you have an issue with pricing of AH stuff then you should be blaming WOD garrisons for injecting billions of gold into the economy. The 1500 gold per calling per character per day isn’t helping either.

Gold isn’t a scarce resource you don’t really need tokens at all to get it. If you do calling every day on 5 toons for 10 months you end up with 2 million gold and that’s just callings.

If gold is the resource being used to get “win” then it’s not pay to win because gold is so readily available.