Can we put Teldrassil comments to rest?

Then you will be glad that I do not condone genocide, because I do not think killing the orcs would have been the right choice. But neither was letting them go an option. Ever.

All wars are expensive and stretch resources lmao

He’s exaggerating the agricultural output of Southern Spain, which he recognizes by admitting my statement stands. Spain agricultural output has never been Andalucía.

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Understandable. But could you answer my question about how to deal with the orcs when you have captured a race that has apparently only brought destruction and death to your own people?

There was a threat of famine at that time, that was not an exaggeration.

Nah they were. After all, Jews were expelled but Muslims weren’t for a century and a half.

Selective mercy to be sure, but at 1492 there was no famine. The famine you speak of was during the 1300s. Muslim Expulsion was 1608.

Sure. But it would have costed the old Alliance far less to simply line the orcs up for the chopping block. They choose not to, out of the goodness of their hearts. Suck on that.
And stop comparing real wars, with humans in them, to wow’s story. It doesn’t hold up, and never will.

Honestly? I don’t know, I fear there is no right answer to that question, because it’s a complicated situation.

Not 1492. Spain was at the apex of its power then. Hell the same day Spain took Granada they agreed to Columbus’s plans.

Correction: the same HOUR canons started firing they signed to Columbus’s plans lmao it was in the morning

But then we’d have to stop using the term “war crime” that everyone on this Forum loves so much.
And by the way, mistreatment of prisoners of war is also a crime.

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Fascism knows no borders. And it doesn’t suddenly go away when someone calls themselves a historian. Many Third Reich fans couch their memorabilia collections as being a “history buff”.

Um, a cursory Google search shows that even the German authorities believe less than 10,000 died at the most. Not hundreds of thousands or millions.

And the Germans didn’t get tricked by an intergalactic Eredar, and they didn’t consume demon blood.

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WoW is a representation/simulacra of the real world (from a western perspective) like any video game, that’s rather the point of the whole exercise beloved.

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Idk man there is some spooky stories of the Order of Thule and the rituals they were up to :eyes::eyes::eyes:

:joy::joy::joy:

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Sure. Blackmoore and people like him paid for that with his death and his kingdom destroyed. Don’t see me shedding a tear, or feel sorry for him.

Jews had to convert to Christianity or go into exile in 1492, and by 1501 all Muslims in Granada had to convert to Christianity, become slaves, or be exiled.

the war of granadar 1482-1491 was the last step, since almost 50 years have granadar to pay for their independence and and slowly bled out economically in consequence (because of this, a famine was a real threat, u know) . Either way, the spains wanted to end the rule of the moslems on the Iberian Peninsula and started the war, and in the end of the day: Granadar was annexed by Castile and ceased to exist as an independent kingdom.

I said that with no tone, however, I’m also casually looking for the source right now :wink: And yes, of course fascism has nothing to do with borders.

False, the Expulsion of the Mudéjar and Morsicos was 1608

Nope the local Nobility, which included both Mudéjar and Morsicos, maintained their audience autonomy until 1608.

They did not, Castile even replaced nobles and attracted the nobles with new land. In 1526, the Granadar regulations finally spread throughout the entire kingdom. And btw: Granadar was the last moslem independend kingdom.

and if you want to know why this war started: The truce of 1478 was theoretically still in force when Granada launched a surprise attack against Zahara in December 1481 as part of a reprisal for a Christian raid.

Isabella had only been waiting for this.

Heck, we’ve recently been talking about the orc internment camps too. In this very thread, even!

To the OP: Nice try, but I don’t think it’s going to happen, unfortunately.

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I mean calia is different because she is still there and a bad thing forced by the writters into the horde players faces every chance they get , teldrassil is only ever brought up by alliance “night elf snowflakes” players , they are the one who can’t move on like everybody else always did , they are the one keeping it alive

tbh teldrassil even before being burned down was like half forgotten and just a thing that existed , actually it being burned down was probaby the most action and attention this tree got from the playerbase in a long time

but anyway back to calia so yes horde players will stop talking about calia once they stop putting her in our faces and forcefully reminding us of her

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Lmao if this were true then 1608 wouldn’t be the date of the mass Expulsion of Muslims and Muslim Descent peoples leading to the formation of Andalusi Diasporas in the Maghreb to this day :skull::joy:

Fernando Núñez Muley literally wrote a letter to the royal audience, and was a member of said audience, of Granada stating the the new regulations demanding people celebrate Christian holidays and outlawing Arabic formally was bad and sucked in the middle of the 16th century. The final Expulsion of Muslims & Co was 1608.

look for yourself, if you not beliefe :wink:

That sounds like a fair compromise for all Horde and Alliance!

After Calia gets attacked by catapults and burned to cinders and she is nothing but a memory - like Teldrassil - we can stop talking about both.

You have your mission, Blizzard.

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