Eh I would’ve prefered the Night Elves to be put in camps and then be released after the war instead of having them all burned alive, then their souls sent to wow hell to be tortured and then obliterated, but that’s just me.
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The orcs would have preferred death several times over, so the humans unknowingly gave them something worse.Not sure about their children, though.
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This gives me a mental image of Bart Simpson doing War Crimes math on a blackboard at the Hague.
“2 Genocides + 1 cultural eradication = 1 concentration camp + 1 renegade Prince + 1 possessed Guardian”
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Really? So you think the orcs would have been equally well off if the old Alliance simply killed all of them off? And make no mistake, they were in a position to do so.
And let’s turn it on it’s head a bit. Let’s say that they did what you think would be right, that is let them go. They would quite literally be angels in the form of men, to be that kind and have so much trust against a race that repeatadly tried to exterminate them and destroy their homes. That, is truly moral absolutism, which you if I understand correctly hate.
Very well. What should the old Alliance have done then, after the monsters that the orcs were at the time had done all they did, and showed absolutely no indication that they would stop. How would you both have ensured the Alliance got their justice, were kept safe, and that the orcs kept their freedom. I don’t think that’s possible, but perhaps you can convince me.
Mistook his intent, and realized that I was wrong, which I told him. I am not beyond making mistakes.
Don’t know, that’s your job to figure out, and there’s numerous examples in history (like with the Germans who were neither put in camps, enslaved, genocided, or nuked).
To restate, Things That Are Never Morally Licit Under Any And All Circumstances:
- Camps rounding up people
- Genocide
- Nukes or equivalent levels of destruction
Hope everyone learned basic Ethics today, there will be a quiz next week! Xoxo
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This is why I like you Baal. Reminding peeps certain things are never justifiable 
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I’m just Concerned™. I’m beginning to suspect these people apply this logic to the real world as well. People’s ethical dispositions are presumably internally consistent with whatever they’re engaging I believe. 
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Lazy bastard.
No, they just lost all autonomy and were effectively ruled by other nations, which isn’t very far from what the orcs went through. Also, the Germans didn’t enter another world, and then get interned there. What you are suggesting is that the Alliance should have given parts of their land for the orcs to live on, with autonomy. I’m not certain jesus would be that generous, and a regular human would certainly not be. Do you want the Horde and the Alliance to be equal in terms of moral standing? Because your suggestions sort of contradict that.
I guess we should just have let the Germans off the hook after ww2. After all, removing their autonomy was as terrible as a crime as the genocide they commited.
Germans weren’t enslaved or put into camps, hope that clears up your historical confusion! Removal of sociopolitical autonomy is not slavery, actually! Xoxo
Unless of course you think Reconstruction in the South was equally as bad as the chattel slavery the Confederacy desired to perpetuate?
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We didn’t round them up in camps and nuke their cities like we did to the Japanese. I’m legit worried about you Morg
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Actually Jesus as the word incarnate would be, there will also be a quiz on the catechism next week it seems!
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Perhaps, but the reds treated them possibly worse than the Alliance treated the orcs, atleast when they invaded.
I’m fairly certain the reconstruction you speak of actually compensated the slave owners, which of course was the wrong thing to do. But I don’t know why you bring it up.
Perhaps because they still had land they lived on. The orcs did not.
Again, I must reiterate. You think the only morally right choice, would have been for the Alliance, victims of the orcs, to give parts of their land for their attackers to live on, without any compensation. There is literally not a single example, as far as I know, of this ever happening in real life. That is how ludicrus your suggestion is.
I simply don’t understand your point, unless it’s actually what I fear it is, and that is that you think the Alliance is just as much in the wrong for defending themselves form the orcs, who tried to kill every single one of them, and then putting these at the time bloodthirsy monsters in internment camps. Not concentration camps, internment camps. People, who at the time, had more in common with literal demons than anything else. You think that, is just as bad as trying to conquer and genocide an entire continent, and everyone on it.
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Here we go again, people reading things in a post that aren’t there and then proceeding to try and tell me what I think. Just stop Morg.
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Uh uh. Wasn’t directed at you, mostly. It was to Baalsamael, who seems to think so.
You quoted me and than proceed to rant and than tried to tell ME what I thought.
Yes, the first part. This part that is.
This was your rant at ME under MY quote. I’m asking you to stop. I’m tired of alliance players telling me how to feel, it happens way too much for my tastes
Then I forgot an indention, or put the wrong part of the text there. My humblest apologies.
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Since you seem to know a lot about history, too.
One Question, do you know the Rheinwiesenlager?
More and more and more information came out about it eventually in the last 10 years, there are even some historians who call it the hidden genocide against the Germans, of those 3, 4 million people, not many survived, let’s put it that way.