Never said that, never will. It’s merely that unlike what Renautus says, it’s not even close to even, even before Teldrassil.
Actually slavery and concentration camps is as bad as genocide, hope that clears things up xoxo
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Sure. The Horde has still commited genocide several times, whereas the Alliance have only put the Horde in camps once. Scales are still, and will continue unless something very drastic happens, be extremely unbalanced.
get therapy?
It’s not healthy to have this much emotional investment in fiction.
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It’s honestly scary how angry he is isn’t it?
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I’m still on his “two genocides versus one chattel slavery and concentration camps makes Alliance have the moral high ground!”
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Please tell me he didn’t actually say or imply that? Because…that’s just horrible.
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Yeah look up four posts ago lol read it fully
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I…uhh…yeah, I’m speechless. The things he’s implying are…I don’t know what to say
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Since two genocides are quite equal to one concentration camp, since the very fact of a war crime is important … Give up the idea of plunging the Alliance into “evil evil”, because the moral level is the same!
I don’t think the comments will stop because there isn’t going to be a meaningful ending to the story. Even if Tyrande actually gets to end Sylvanas… than what? Teldrassil is still gone and everyones dead…yay?
Blizz is NOT going to introduce a new NE home city unless it turns into an expansion hub so you can really kiss those ideas goodbye, theres just no way they are gonna put that level of effort into a new Capital when they’ve made Stormwind the hub. We’ve seen this with the likes of Ashenvale, under siege since Cata
Maybe they’ll just use some bronze dragonflight to rewind time and pull Teldrassil forward essentially erasing what happened which… I guess is ok /shrug
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I mean, our ability to predict what Blizzard will do is about as good as most people’s ability to understand and accept what an NOL is. So I certainly wouldn’t deterministically state what Blizzard will and won’t do. Did you predict that they would torch Teldrassil in the first place or make BFA the way they did? No? Then let’s put the certainty away.
As for Morghel’s comments on the Horde - I’ve had some time to think about this problem - of how to make the Horde pay for what they’ve done, and I believe I’ve come up with an appropriate solution.
We need to audit the Horde. I’ll lead the engagement team.
TrEmBlE!
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Moral highground? When have I stated that? What I believe, and what is extremely obvious, is that the Alliance have far more grieviences to repay compared to the Horde. I don’t give a crud about moral highground, only who deserves what.
Can’t I embellish a bit? But you are probably correct that I choose the wrong franchise to get emotionally invested in, when there are many with a far better story. But i’ll ride this expansion out at least, in terms of emotional investment, to see where it goes.
I’d count Teldrassil as resolved if:
- Night Elves got the zones back they had prior to BfA and an alternative for Teldrassil as a new home, Hyjal maybe? (including city)
- Sylvanas is brought to justice
- The dead Night Elf souls are atleast free from the maw, the fact that many souls have been destroyed has already left a bitter taste in my mouth
But what about the massacres of the Horde? At least Hyjal, Winterspring, Ashenwal and a little Azshara? Or at least demolish Gallywix’s cannon, a legitimate military target that threatens the World Tree. Yes, it’s aimed at Stormwind, but what if the goblins deploy it? And so they don’t seem to need it anyway (the Horde changed), we will help to dismantle it by deeply violent methods.
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The alternative is what?
Counter-genocide, like the elves of Quel’thalas wanted?
The orcs tried to wipe out all of mankind, elfkind, dwarfkind, etc., and their reward for trying to exterminate everyone was being jailed en masse. The only ones that saw the “chattel slavery” you’re referring to were the ones directly beneath Blackmoore, who was noted as a cruel, vain individual.
The other camps were run more like prisons rather than labor camps or secret gladatorial pits. Dalaranian wizards tried to understand the orc’s bloodthirst and lethargy, while Terenas considered this notion as a potential “in” to integrating orcs into the Eastern Kingdoms. Then Blackmoore tried to get rich and live out his power fantasies and ended up making Green Moses (people need to stop calling him Green Jesus) unleash proverbial plagues on the humans that had imprisoned his people.
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The Internment Camps shows that the Alliance had the moral high ground.
It’s so simple to understand, which is why im confused some don’t see it.
When faced with races who were not (and were not going to join the Horde) Horde, the old Horde committed genocide (draenei) or tried to commit genocide on the races in the eastern kingdoms.
When the old Alliance was faced with a defeat foe…most of the Alliance chose to imprison instead of “make a road out of orc bones”.
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Also another thing. Putting the orcs in camps, would not be equal to what they did to the humans. What would have been equal, ish, would have been to kill them all. Every single man, women, and children, just like the orcs intended to do to the humans. Then it would have been equal. Putting them in camps, explicetly so that they would continue to live, was a mercy that perhaps the orcs did not deserve, but were given anyways.
And no, letting the Horde walk away after what they did wasn’t just unfeasable, but a massive insult to all the people that they killed. But I understand you are litterally incapable of seeing things from the Alliance’s perspective, both old and new, so i’m not surprised at your behavior.
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Rich coming from you, who went off on someone because they stated that the horde was reforming their government and it was just one step in a long series of them on the road to redemption
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No actually camps qua camps and slavery qua slavery are intrinsically evil and immoral of equal gravity to genocide under any and all circumstances.
No instance of labor camps, concentration camps, camps otherwise, no instance of slavery is ever morally licit.
Another example would be say nukes, which are also never morally licit.
Hope that clears things up xoxo!
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