The way you said “we should break” and “it’s off topic” gives me the impression that you holding the “it is good to speak for others” was a mistake for you, is it? I think even you think it’s wrong and you wanted to back peddle on that or try to distract me from it, because i agreed with you. You literally seem to think just because i agree with you, that means i support you 100% with speaking on other people’s behalf. Let’s be honest, it’s never about what we want, it’s about what you want. And putting “We” in there is simply dishonest.
If you truly think that speaking for others is fine but at the same time, don’t think it’s fine if somebody did the same to you, then i can’t be agreeing on this anymore. You had good points, but you choose to ruin it by doing this. You can give all the examples (they aren’t comparable to this), but you still don’t get to speak on other people’s behalf unless you’re chosen to.
If that’s what actually happens, then yeah. That would be good. That’s just not the impression I get from short posts who ask for us to just skip over content. I don’t think the idea that the content should be delayed for a year is something that necessarily comes through in arguments like this.
I’d be fine with it, but I don’t think the community would. It was such a battle when Shadowlands was delayed for, what, the month or so that it was last fall?
It may very well be the case that expansions need longer to cook than what we’re giving them, but I don’t see very many people asking that we give them that amount of time.
And, to be fair, I’ve seen arguments that ask legitimate questions as to what exactly we’re subbing for if we’re going to be going a year to a year and a half without content. I haven’t really formed a comprehensive opinion on that yet, but it may be the case that just having access to the server for that year+ isn’t going to be an acceptable business model to the community.
Then you are free to watch me go ahead and do it again in the future, I guess. I don’t feel I’ve said anything out of line at any point in the formulation of my arguments. I’m sorry this upsets you, but I don’t want to engage in this any further.
I think you’re overthinking short posts on these boards. I’ve yet to see a single post that’s going “cut 9.3 and rush the next expansion”. It’s always been “kill 9.3 with fire and put all resources into 10.0”.
It sucks to wait that long, but the end result is a game that isn’t trash, ideally.
Before it hit the fan for blizzard in real life I feel like they were gonna pull a WOD and ditch shadowlands after 9.2
Currently I think blizz is in damage control mode, so they probably want to move on to try and start winning fans back over.
I think it ends around 9.2 unless the next expansion isn’t even started yet then expect 9.3 selfie cam 2.0 while they try and rush the first half of the next expansion threw development.
Well you would just be wrong and ruin your arguments… but i guess that’s what you want then.
Because you clearly think that. Anybody can do that, but it only takes people looking at that and think right away you’re saying it’s good to speak for others, but at the same time, confront/disagree or take issue with others speaking for you. A casual observer may call you a hypocrite.
No, you’re simply being dishonest and hypocritical with me. That’s the issue i take problem with you here. The fact you’re trying to get away from this shows this so much…
Unless you’re saying “it’s okay to speak for me too”. You can’t have it both ways where you disagree with somebody speaking for you and turn around and speak for others regardless if they disagree.
Remember when i said this?..
Also remember when you said this to flip around what you’ve just said?..
Why is it okay for you to disagree and confront them for speaking for you, but not us?..
Possibly. I may be conflating the “kill 9.3” crowd with the “omg content droughts suuuuck” crowd. I just see how delays are almost always negatively received, at least here.
But honestly, I don’t think it needs to be an either/or situation. If the next expansion is going to take however long it’s going to take anyway, then I think it’s reasonable enough to expect Blizz to finish the content planned for the current game and take the requisite time and effort to make the next game a quality product.
I feel like we can go down a bad path of being ultra charitable to a corporation when we say that the only way they can reasonably deliver a good product in the future is if they cease development on the current product, even if it’s only half-finished. That’s not really a standard we apply to any other game company, and it’s probably not something we should encourage here in this community.
Narratively, we’re clearly set up for 9.2 to be the last jailer thing unless he pulls a zeromus on us.
Content-wise, SL is subpar and the new zone they add likely won’t change that…a year from now at best.
If you burned out your tmog and achievement farming in BFA and WoD, there really isn’t much to do on a non-raid night. SL is a lost cause, they should pull a WoD, at this point.
As much i disagree with Rorrand’s points now, i still don’t think they should do that and at least attempt to make it better for the current expansion and just make expansions better from the beginning, instead of working from the middle to the top after.
It’s too late for that, the core issues can’t be fixed at this point for SL. If they do the best they can for 9.2, call it, and keep in contact with us as 10.0 is being worked on, that is the best thing they can do. Maybe a 9.2.5 to give us some stuff to do in the meantime, but it should not be the focus at that point.
Nah, send Danuser and Christie to buzzfeed, where their collective writing talent belongs.
True. I’m not saying they should invent a 9.3 if they never planned one. I wouldn’t be surprised if 9.2 ended up being the final act of Shadowlands just by way of how the narrative is progressing.
Unfortunately (and I know this is going to be a dirty word), a lot of the enjoyment or distaste for a WoW expansion experience isn’t just found in what the new zones give us, but also in how the systems impact our play.
If 9.3 didn’t have a new zone, but did give us tier sets, Legion-era artifact weapons, and a Mage Tower-esque challenge mode, I would consider that to be pretty good content. And it would be great to have an opportunity to play with that stuff for the year of downtime without having to wait for it to be locked behind the next expansion’s paywall.
This is all theoretical at this point, of course. We don’t know if they have any of this planned for 9.3, or if they have anything at all.
Never say too late, since it’s always better late then never.
Hence why i made this suggestion here…
The suggestion i was leaning towards is to after the expansion, start from the point where it will be amazing, like MoP, or Wrath. And not start a mediocrity and work our way-selves up like Legion or BFA.
That doesn’t mean they still can’t do it, just pull it together for this one, and keep on the same greatness but better from start to finish for future expansions.
We already seen what happens when an expansion is rushed to market. Shadowlands was in no way truly ready and only went out the door because there was a lot of financial and legal issues that would have hit if they delayed until 2021.
I’d much rather see a large content drought and them get the next expansion right from the get go. SL was cursed for many reasons…call it a bust and just let it limp along until it can be put out of its misery and go hard on whatever is next as like a love letter to players. SL is literally going to go down as the defacto worst expansion…so don’t try and save it…just let it be and let’s do way better going forward.
I would skip it and put all the effort into the next expansion.
I’m guessing that’s what they’ll do since they pulled the ripcord early. I mean they usually do these kinds of fixes at the end of an expansion anyways.
I would t be surprised if the next blizzcon will announce the next expansion.
It is going to be a full sized xpac. With all the raids and such in a normal xpac’s life span. Just because you all are bored with the content that you play doesn’t mean we speed up and rush into the next xpac.
I don’t feel I’ve said anything out of line at any point in the formulation of my arguments. I’m sorry this upsets you, but I don’t want to engage in this any further.
