Skip all that and give us WoW II. Utilizing the new unreal engine 5.
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Mm idk. BFA systems are least didnât require this much grind or RNG. Essences. Were very easy to obtain, islands at least provided rewards besides just Azerite. Visions were 10 times more fun and challenging than torghast (plus the rewards at least made it worth while.)
BFA zones were connected to Azeroth, shadowlands is just meh all around. Bfa also had Drustvar.
Both the BFA and SL stories suck. (Well BFA kultiras zone stories were good, faction war bad.)
As much i agree with Anon, i also have to agree with this as well.
Thereâs nothing contradictory, let alone wrong with wanting the expansion to be better then the previous or current one youâre on. Nobody wants an expansion that is worse then the last one. 
Unless you were a spec whoâs best PVE essence required grinding PVP or visa versa. Blood of the enemy anyone?
Yes, Doubloons that were completely worthless for 90% of the expansion and mounts that didnât exist until their drop rates were mega buffed in the .3 patch.
Visions were basically another M+ vault. Of course people liked it. Doesnât change the fact that they were the exact same thing over and over, required FARMING to even go in. And they were significantly easier for some classes than others. My DH ALT did 5 mask before any of our casters managed it and could literally JUMP OUT of the mechanics.
So⌠geography? Iâm not alliance so Drustvar is just the basically empty zone i flew over to get where i was going.
Shadowlands isnât over yet, they COULD make it better. I donât think they WILL but they COULD.
LolâŚthey broke some of those in the squish.
Assaults are retail scaled now. Players should have ground those out when wowhead reported that feature change in 9 PTR when you could 1 shot your way to platinum clears solo.
And the armour relic ystem broke the carry on apprearances that used blood based ugrades. SoâŚyeahâŚdonât take the skinning shack to tier 3. Unless you like to waste your time or gold ofc.
So sad that stuff is broke⌠hope theyâll fix it.
no not until i get to equip 2 legos
I like the fact that wow uses itâs own engine. gives it a unique flavor. A lot of times games that use some generic engine I sometimes notice this certain quirks like the way characters are animated and you are like oh, another game using unreal engine. Might as well go play Unreal Tournament⌠Actually thatâs a good idea.
Depending on who you ask, thatâs already happened.
Expansion themes are the only thing that changes. Game design philosophy does not. OP isnât railing against all the things that make Shadowlands âbad.â Heâs literally just arguing for the devs to dumpster any planned content they have left for Shadowlands, thus reducing the purchasing power of everyoneâs initial purchase.
It would be against our best interests if the devs decided to capitulate to his request. Now we get no new content at all until the devs decide to charge us another $40-$60, at which point weâll get more borrowed power, restrictive systems, Sylvanas, and progression grinds all over again.
Nah. Letâs just criticize what needs to be criticized with WoW. But asking to just speed us right into the next expansion is bad. Donât do it.
Yes! In fact, donât even bother with 9.2! Kick it down the trash chute of bad (and its a long fall past WoD (and starts BELOW BfA).
At this point they should tear up the entire playbook and re-invent the structure of the game from the ground up. But they wonât, because enough people, like me I admit, just chug along whining but going through the motions anyway.
Let me be clear, i do wanted shadowlands to be good, but i am seriously tired of waiting until it gets better when it shouldâve been from the very start. It was like this for Legion and itâs really starting to wear on me to a point where i had to a take a break, like sort of over shadowlands at this point. They can make it better, but it has better if you catch my drift. Not just a major upgrade that makes it highly worth the wait, but to make them very good from the start and not just work their way to the top from the middle.
While i donât hate too many of the systems, iâm not really a fan of them either, and they couldâve just laid off of them a bit as well and just give us the systems that ultimately matters, the ones that isnât temporary.
I donât agree with OP dumping the expansion though, iâl cop to my poor wording on my part on that.
Look, you have good points, but you can only speak for yourself on whatâs your best interest is. 
LOL actually BFA is better than shadowlands. Heck WOD is better than shadowlands.
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If that was the case we wouldnât be getting any of the 9.1.5 changes.
As far as I know they are back working all they did was stage a rally over a weekend in July .
I say 10.0 Beta between July and August of 2022
THe difference between SL ending in a .2 patch and WoD ending in a .2 patch is SL has had more content in each patch compared to WoD and can actually do the full story by 9.2 compard to the cut story and content of WoD in 6.2.
People see X.2 and think they cut a lot out and in the case of WoD they did but even with itâs issues SL really hasnât had that problem . SL problem has been the pacing of new content and to be honest I think because of the pandemic instead of stretching out the content to say a x.3 or a x.4 patch , the consolidated it to fewer patches and stretched the patches out over time .
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Itâs Oct 5th. They dropped the date in a blue post somewhere, I forget. Wowhead has it
Nah, Iâll stand by this point pretty hard. Something can absolutely be in someoneâs best interest even if they arenât aware of it.
Iâm operating on the assumption that most WoW players want to pay for a good product and not get sucked into a vortex of having to pay for âpoorâ products that just get abandoned 50-75% of the way through. I feel like thatâs a safe assumption to make unless the majority of the WoW community is comprised of masochists.
This is ultimately the takeaway of the corporation; if you tell them youâre okay with scrapping content so they can get the next half-baked thing to you faster, then youâre literally letting them know that producing incomplete expansions is a business model that you are okay supporting. Again, I have no idea whose best interests that supports aside from the company doing the bad thing.
Criticizing weaknesses of a product carries with it a chance of improvement. I feel like the âletâs just move on to the next expansionâ is a gut instinct with disastrous results. So unless someoneâs explicit purpose is to keep giving money to a company that disappoints them with their products without actually working to criticize the product itself, then no, Iâm not going to grant them that their argument is in their best interest.
Thatâs just where Iâm coming from. But since youâve made it clear that the âletâs just move onâ argument isnât even a position you hold, we can probably just break here.
I donât think SL has had a problem per-patch content, I think itâs just had a content problem in general. We have far less dungeons and raids than the previous two expansions. Since these would have instances developed and had been testing well before covid, theres no real excuse here except that they wanted fewer of them. I donât particularly believe they are of any quality higher than BfA or Legion dungeons/raids though that is opinion. Though, most people iâve talked to have said from what we can compare, that SL is not better in the dungeon/raid scene so far. So it doesnât seem to be a quality vs. quantity thing either⌠why so little content?
The only expansion with so little end game content to do is of course, WoD, which had significantly less. I think thatâs why many people are drawing comparisons between the two. You can have great levelling experiences, a great out of the gate-start, but if you cannot finish conceptually then the game crashes as time goes on, which both of these expansions had(having) happen. Legion and BfA, having played both from start to finish, didnât start particularly strong but every single patch had me feeling it was getting better. I do not feel that so far in SL, even if I took 9.1.5 into account, with its huge slue of QoL buffs.
Uhh, yeah, you donât speak for anybody but yourself. Even though i agree with your points youâve made, there wasnât a need to do that when your points did so perfectly on their own and it would only hurt it, because nobody has elected you to speak on their behalf. And the same goes with me and anybody else. Just because somebody doesnât know their best interests, doesnât mean you should speak for their best interests. Itâs actually kind of makes it manipulating to do that tbh. Unless youâre actually fine with the idea of somebody telling you what your best interests are and it may be something that you donât want. 
Thatâs what they did with WoD and plenty of others. We missed out on a lot of content because they got trigger happy with the âjust scrap it and move onâ focus. As much as I hate current Shadowlands, and believe it to be a massive mechanical downgrade (with features like covenants being garrison 2.0 with less material and more road blocks, valor being single character again, no vendor gear, alt friendliness, shards being corruptions/essences, but worse, etc), Iâd much prefer them to finish what they started.
Iâve unsubbed based on how this xpac makes me exhausted, though Iâll be active for a few more months. But honestly, they should stop going backwards and removing things that were integral to the gameâs logevity and player friendliness. Ending the expansion here would do no one any favors.
No itâs not.