I literally outlined this in my post. On fresh I could literally find a group standing outside deadmines in moonbrook and meet 4 players who all like the game I do instantly. Or I could go look through multiple discords, forums, and message world chat for multiple hours to find 4 people to find a group. If you’re happy doing multiple days of searching for a low level dungeon then good for you. I don’t find that enjoyable.
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You saying there is no difference between Fresh Era and SoM2 is you moving the goal posts. Blizzard stated that Era and SoM are two different versions of Classic and are not to be confused with one another. So naturally, you confuse them. Otherwise SoM wouldnt even exist in the first place. I dont care what your opinion is, Im working off what Blizzard said, which is pretty much law around here. Might want to get acquainted with reality one of these days.
The OP of this thread said he doesnt care about SoM2, he only wants info on Fresh Era. So the thread is about Fresh Era. Which is what Im talking about.
Thats correct. In regards to an Era server, not SoM.
Here’s my first reply to you about SoM2:
An acknowledgement that SoM2 is a thing and on its way.
Here’s what I said to Asma:
Because Blizz reserves the right to change their mind, not because I think its off the table. SoM1 didnt exactly prove that Fresh was a slam dunk - assuming you think those two things are the same thing, which you do.
Still, it could be used as evidence that new servers are way overhyped. Which they are by the players for sure.
Won every single one. Horde cave, TBC dual specs, Wrath being in RDF at launch. My track record is impeccable. You don’t even know how to use the word literally.
Never did that and premades are not relevant to the discussion anyway. Keep flailing.
Im talking to a guy that just spends all day crying about me. Im sorry you lost the argument and cant handle it but you’re shortcomings are not my problem.
Thats a weird take since SoM1 basically tanked because of all the differences (according to the threads) but you’re welcome to it. Im under no burden to argue under your and the Wrath Shamans paradigm. Its what Blizz says it is, which are two different versions of classic.
Im not arguing the point. A fresh era server would provide you and other levelers more opportunities to level together. Thats still not a reason to bring in new (non SoM) servers. Blizzard has different motives entirely and one of them does not appear to be adding more Era servers.
I stopped reading when you said I said fresh and era arent different. I never said that and you’ll be unable to quote me on it.
A fresh server is fresh. This is 1st grade knowledge. If they make a new era it is fresh. If they make a new som it is fresh. Another L for corpse
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see that’s the difference between you and me. you’re trying to win some epic internet argument, whereas I just want a fun game to play 
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That means theyre not different. Your words.
That means theyre not different. Your words.
So that’s two quotes.
You cant even understand your own posts but somehow you got me beat?
I never once denied SoM2 was coming out. I have never once said SoM2 isnt happening. Ive said the complete opposite. Ive told you a dozen times that a Fresh Classic Era realm is what Im referring too because thats what the OP was referring too - that’s what this thread is about. Fresh Classic Era. Not SoM. You keep talking about SoM - youre not on topic. You just repeatedly talk about what a bad guy I am. The thread isnt about me. Youre not on topic.
Very early on I told you to wait for SoM2, because SoM2 is coming out. In a LATER response to Asma, I said they MIGHT not do an SoM2 (because Blizz can always change their mind, however unlikely) but I never said its definitely not coming. I then repeatedly told you to enjoy SoM2 when it comes out. You then accused me of saying SoM wasnt coming out when Ive made it abundantly clear Im not talking SoM but Era because of your personal opinion on what fresh means.
You stated your personal understanding of what Fresh is (just a new server of any kind, it doesnt matter, theres no difference - your words) supersedes logic and rationality and according to your rules I never agreed too I was wrong because I essentially said SoM2 wasnt happening when I never once did that. You even got a post ready for me when SoM2 drops.
Youre basically making everything up as you go along and then accuse of me of moving goalposts so I can be right. Youre the least self aware troll Ive run across in some time.
And thats when youre not going all cringe edgelord with “I know you hate me corpseknife”. I can picture your spacegoat loading up on the goth eye make up as emo music blasts in the background.
I said there was no argument. I said it was a matter of preference - all opinions are equal. People wanted to argue anyway. Well, if you want to have an argument there has to be a winner and a loser. I posited there are not going to be any new Era realms like the one the OP wanted and I gave what the reasons for that most likely are. People disagreed.
Time to fact check. No new Era servers have opened since launch. There are no new Era servers right now. There are no known new Era realms slated to be open in the future. There has been no announcement of any kind that would lead anyone to believe they are opening new Era servers.
Corpseknife wins the argument.
Enjoy your Fresh SoM server release.
nobody really wants “new era realms”. whatever happens it’s obviously going to be a separate category from era, as it should. this could be SoM2, or it could be seasonal fresh vanilla. the two things are basically the same, the only difference being that SoM2 would have more changes.
Imagine self proclaiming you are the winner of an argument you are getting 10:1 ratioed on an online forum. You definitely didn’t put any of your rl talent points into intellect.
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Guy just quoted me saying a fresh team is a fresh realm and then telling me i contradicted myself.
Whatever this corpseknife thing is, it’s quite comical
He himself said that fresh PvE servers would be good for the Era community if done right. I’d consider that a solid victory.
I just wanted to see what he’d say about the ad hominem stuff.
People want them. We’re having this whole brouhaha because I said we don’t need them. But thanks for agreeing with me, at least in part. I said we don’t need them because at the present moment, Era isn’t in super high demand as populations indicate.
Youre making the same mistake Wrath Shaman is but is in complete denial about. They’re the same in that they would be new classic servers. However, A new Era realm is not the same thing as a new Season. The thread is about a new Era realm as outlined in the OP. If you’re talking about SoM, you’re off topic - everything you say is irrelevant to the actual discussion at hand - negated. Logic can be finicky like that.
Imagine thinking consensus proved anything in a legitimate debate. Facts and logic decide who wins the wrangle, not ratio’s. All that ratio proves is there are more dumb people than there are Corpseknife’s. Enjoy your hollow victory.
You said it didn’t matter if it was SoM or Era after being told 20 times it wasn’t about SoM. A Fresh server is a fresh server regardless. Your words. Ergo, Fresh Era and a Fresh season are the same - that’s a contradiction - and I lose because SoM2 is coming out even when I never said SoM2 is never coming out and the discussion isn’t about SoM2. You made up your own definition of Fresh, made up your own rules for victory like you stand above logic, reasoning and intellectually honest debate. I don’t have to succumb to your stupid logic. I prefer actual logic.
The thread isn’t about SoM. You lose whether you are cognizant of it or not, creepy stalker.
That still doesn’t mean we need fresh Era in the here and now, which has been my contention. This is what the argument is about and I still haven’t been refuted one bit. You at least tried to make some kind of case. You failed miserably but at least you tried.
If you still wanna think that quote is some kind of victory, I say have at it. Go do your victory lap guy. The facts of the matter have decimated your stance but don’t let that get in the way of anything. Just go bask in the glory as smooth jazz fills the cosmos.
Well, I accommodated you didn’t I? Feel better now?
we really should be asking for classic+ instead of fresh tbh
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I’m surprised people still trust Blizz to make Classic +. I’m already scared they’re going to ruin vanilla with joyous journeys or adventure boxes.
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I prefer prudent optimism to stagnant pessimism.
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We need Fresh Era with boons from the start and maybe raid bosses buffed so it doesn’t become something extremely boring to kill Rag, but at the same time exciting by trying to not die to not lose wbuffs.
Also eliminate summon meeting stones because it kills world pvp.
Hypothetically Classic + could work and it would have the potential to very popular with a long term sustainable future.
The problem is Blizzard would need to make a very serious commitment to it - like creating its own studio and hiring the right people. Way easier said than done and probably not at all likely.
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I responded because I’m trying to consider ideas/opinions of all.
If you have an issue with what anyone here supports, ask them directly.
I’m sort of at a loss because I’ve said something similar to Corpseknife in that I believe that new Era servers are not necessary at this time but “fresh” is perfectly viable in a seasonal server. At least two other posters have said they want seasonal fresh so I’m not sure why the argument.
This is how I interpreted the OP. So fresh is the key - be it Era or seasonal. So I differ with you, Corpse, that the OP excluded seasonal. But if seasonal is fine with most here, again my issue is why argue?
Meh I must be missing something.
I blame the spiked coffees I allow myself during the holidays.
chugs the happy brew
I misread the OP. I thought he meant he didnt care for SoM. I got it crossed up with another thread. So that’s my bad and I take full ownership of it. My apologies to all, including Lzkx. Doesnt really excuse some of their posts but Ill take that on my back as well. I goofed up.
SoM2 is coming, the OP has got nothing to worry about. Nothing happens fast enough for people. They want it now of course but obviously the patience you spoke of earlier is the answer then. In any event, he’s getting what he wants. Congrats.
As for the rest, I took a harmless stab at the OP based on the very real events and forum posts that took place during Era’s Pre TBC run and everyone just about lost their minds. On the topic of new Era realms, which people saw fit to argue with me about, there is little they can say.
edit: Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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The [or] in the quote is my add to illustrate how I saw it.
Only one that can confirm would be the OP.
No need to apologize since my observation still stands.
If all the posts are read (at least to me) everyone seemed to support a fresh seasonal which would be the “fresh” answer.
I honestly try to read and understand what everyone is posting before I respond.
Sometimes I get it wrong but it’s why I don’t have anyone on ignore since another player may have an awesome idea I never considered.
No worries here.
I was even nice to Blinkndrink/Manuredps today.
Thank spiked coffee for that.
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SOM 2 is not P H R E S H sweetpie as much as you might want it to be. What is it? The perfect play ground for locusts like you that will consume…and move on.
The only thing I’d recommend to Blizz is to give it a 6 month time frame this time. SOM 1 made it clear that you attention span isn’t any longer.
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