The devs really are listening.
Surprising.
Id still like to see all the other changes made since Era shipped reverted back to classic 2019, all this poppin my prowl has me feeling hostile. That and locks getting protected seduce cast and the plethora of other annoying non vanilla changes made that were actually TBC+ things, I want them gone.
The worst part about the changes made is they polluted the game quite a lot and as a result the quality of play is tarnished, but I don’t think its too late for Era, if they roll back the little bits of retail that poison the veins.
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Oh noes!
You’re gonna miss SoD and the flying in Azeroth you asked for!
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He ain’t going anywhere lol
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That was not an opinion.
Nobody in this forum is in fact doing anything for better or worse. lol.
Here is what I said:
Note the trying part. Which I stated again.
I know that posting here doesn’t do a lot already so that comment you keep making is not relevant to my point. imo trying, regarding something a person is passionate about, is better than not trying at all.
Also, it could be argued that he helped get the forums separated to where real Era conversations on here can now take place, which actually did do something. So you’d be wrong there too.
Next, you’ll be pretending to be the voice of those who don’t ever visit the forums because they’ll never see what you say to disagree with you so you can just make up whatever fake things you feel like.
Oh, wait… you already did that today.
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again, he didnt do nothing, you are also not even trying by posting in the forums.
Blizzard do not take feedback from general discussion forums.
I mean if you can prove he did it with a direct blizzard’s reference towards him, ya. Else its just wishful thinking.
as a matter of If you and he had any kind of influence the pvp changes would not be introduced and sod would not be done, since OP constantly claimed it was a waste of resources and you would make fairy tales of how someone with a full time job and family could rank to 14 whitout neglecting anything lol.
Here, at this forum, at best you can discuss the game with other players. That’s all.
? where did i claim this? I jsut stated a fact, blizzard do not rely on forums, and they surely are not siding with you or the OP in any decision lol.
I mean you are the only one claiming posters have a large influence and most importantly is even giving out examples whitout any kind of proof.
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It would be nice if era was still 1.12, but the GDKPs and botting is so abysmal it’s w.e at this point.
Era servers have never really worked in the history of MMOs, and were starting to see why. Sure it’s fun to login and play here and there, but any real growth is extremely difficult given the literal paywall required to play the game.
For an hour of my work pre taxes I could buy 25,000 gold. Think about that. What incentive is there to truly play if you can only farm 50-100 gold an hour… or work one single hour and buy 25k… that’s not even in the same galaxy… one day of work and I could buy 200k gold and be done with the game after a single day of work.
I don’t cheat, I don’t like to cheat, but the disparity between not cheating and cheating is insanely high on era. It just beats you down if you try to play legit.
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That’s just your opinion and you replied to my short “nice comment to another poster” that didn’t need to be replied to so that you could say it. You obviously felt like playing word games.
So I quoted this here. I disagree.
People come here all the time to provide feedback. I feel bad for the newbies because they don’t know that Blizzard doesn’t care. They are still attempting to have their voices heard instead of just ravenously feasting on whatever Blizzard decides to do. Then they not only do not have Blizzard listen to them but they get bullied by the low lifes who only come here to make fun of others.
95%+ of people when they are not happy don’t come here to this hostile place. They just unsub. The passionate ones try also so although you may want to spit on them and laugh, because you don’t care about other people, I’ll commend them for trying and have a long history of doing so.
I never said that people on the forums have a lot of influence. I’ve said over and over that the streamers have the most influence. I’ve said over 100 times that I come here to talk to other posters. I’m aware of that reality.
You keep going there but it’s totally irrelevant to any point I’ve been making.
You said that only 5 posters on the forum had an opinion that Era shouldn’t be changed. Which is ridiculous.
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It’s clear that the dev do not play vanilla.
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I agree with this, it really is a bummer, and as my Pally is approaching 60 I’d be lying if I didn’t start to feel the tug. There’s a lot of stuff I need that’s going to cost a lot of gold to get!
But then I remember why I play this game… which for my own dang personal enjoyment. If I want that stuff, I can make other characters to help me farm it. Or to help me farm to make gold so I can at least offset some of the effort. I don’t have to have it right away, I can work to get it, and that’s the game Vanilla was intended to be.
So many people have lost sight of this. Instant gratification has become the prominent mentality of the playerbase and you actually can’t blame retail for this. There’s a dude in another thread I was discussing with whose actual expectation is that you should be able to roll up to a raid on week 1 and clear it. They have no idea what playing this game originally was like, where you would spend actual months gearing up your team to be able to finally clear the last boss. Retail is still like that since gear between seasons resets and content is much harder.
So this new mentality is not a Vanilal thing, it’s a “Classic” thing. People expect to show up and get to 60 immediately, so they pay gold for boosts to get there. Then they get 60 and expect to be geared immediately, so they pay gold in GDKP to get their items. The get their gear and want to end-game raid, but expect to be doing the best DPS possible and so they pay gold to buy consumables and Tribute lockouts to get there. They expect to do in months what was intended to take years.
What all this means is that the vast majority of people playing Classic Era right now don’t actually want Vanilla. They don’t want retail either. They want something new… something where they can see the game’s content, but not spend a lot of time on that journey, and so they’re perfectly ok with paying someone, anyone, money to get there. So many people want this that it would be downright ignorant of me to say they shouldn’t have it. I don’t want it, maybe you don’t want it, but so many other people want it that we have no right to tell them they shouldn’t. So the game that Era is turning into post 1.12 is absolutely appropriate for them.
However…
As Mootwo and others have pointed out, we were sold on a museum piece. Not only is that what was advertised with Classic 2019 to begin with, that’s why we paid our clone transfers. I even bought my clone in the original, ridiculously over priced first wave before they dropped it way down. Why? Because I wanted to have a character that lived in the Vanilla world forever and that could support the future alts that I intended to play there one day.
You can look at these recent changes from various angles and see that they’re good changes. I can absolutely see value in the recent ranking changes, for example. A lot of those changes make Era work for the masses. There was just too much detrimental gameplay going on and Vanilla just doesn’t hold up to meta gaming. But just because you can argue that those changes have value doesn’t mean they should happen. It’s not what the true Vanilla supporters bought and paid for… all 2000 of them.
Which is maybe the point here. Folks made a financial commitment to a game under stated expectations and that’s not being lived up to. However, that game is not what the majority of players want. I think Blizzard needs to deliver on their promise, but it needs to be a 1.12 Fresh Era server that will never change and where anti-RMT policies are strictly enforced. Or, if Blizzard is unable or unwilling to do that, official acknowledgement and support for private servers so the players can make the experiences for themselves.
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Its all fair points. Since they built SoM, HC, and SoD on the era client, (and updated era each time one of these released), players should be expecting future updates to era as long as they keep that model. That means moving frameworks just as they did for 4 seperate times throughout classic thus far.
Its a bummer, but its what they chose… Its crappy to say but Era makes no money, its a nothing burger for them. They probably lose money keeping up era. No paid xfers, no boosts, store mounts, anything. Its your sub fee which is peanuts (and likely to be removed once Microsoft lumps it into game pass).
To them they probably feel that era is a courtesy, and I can’t really argue that.
lies 
I’m okay with “updates” but not ones that actually change the gameplay. getting auto-unstealthed around graveyards is a travesty, for example
You can see it as w.e you want. I play era, i tried to play as legit as I could. Couldn’t find any herbs to pick, or ore to mine.
No chance i would catch up on tailoring or enchanting recipes being this late in the game, so hard to make gold there.
I checked a few guilds for raiding and full consumes were required (no flasks unless its AQ or Naxx) … well those all cost a ton of gold. About 300 gold per raid with my deaths (not having gear) costing a lot.
So, thankfully they fixed ranking so there was some part of the game I could progress in and feel worthwhile… because PvE and trying to farm legit gold was simply not worth my time with the rampant RMT and server inflation going on. Some might find it worthwhile, I dont think 79 gold for a tiny upgrade on a random level 40 green is worth IMO.
So i gave up PvE, its too expensive and its not possible to get any real progress going… it sucks but its w.e I login, pvp, log out.
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if you didn’t like playing era you could have just… not played it. maybe go play your goblin death knight on retail?
oh right. retail is boring so you have to come to era and whine about things there.
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I have to disagree here. Players who want only that content are paying Blizzard a monthly subscription fee to access it. If that subscription fee is not enough to keep the server running, I’d say that’s good incentive for Blizzard to find technology solutions to minimize the costs of a Classic Era server.
On the one hand, I do understand that our subscription fee has not changed in 19 years in large part due to the introduction of additional monetization practices that generate so much more revenue for Blizzard. I also understand that these are not present in a Vanilla version of the game and so Blizzard does not make money beyond the subscription for those players.
However, I also know that private servers are offered at no cost. So it’s reasonable to expect Blizzard to find ways to reduce waste in this product stream.
I very much appreciate that Era exists. I had cause to re-evalulate my WoW priorities 6 months ago and actually quit the game. I came back for Era about 3 months ago because I felt drawn to that version of the game and I’ve been having fun here ever since.
I actually love what they’re doing with SoD and am super stoked to play it. I would pay an additional subscription fee to access it because I’m interested and want to engage in that space. However, Era is what I paid almost $50 to stay on under the promise that it would always be there. I could just play on private servers but I chose to support Blizzard financially. It looks like they’re not keeping up their end of the bargain.
Era servers are not a courtesy. They were a service that many people pay for access to, and paid additional costs to support. They choose to pay this in spite of free options being available.
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I currently play 2 versions of WoW… and tomorrow itll be 3 is that okay? I mean my sub covers all 5 versions… am i limited to only playing 1 or something? If im paying $15 for 5 games, why not get the most out of it?
And where did I say i “dont like” era? Getting a little offended there? Hmm… Retail has good moments, has boring moments. Era has good moments, has boring moments. Thats just gaming in general tho… idk.
I dont think im “whining” when telling the truth about RMT and gold prices on era… is that not happening? Weird I see dozens of other posts about it… but it must not be happening because i post on a DK character… Hmm
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I’d really like clarification on whether the honor changes are just meant for the old stale era servers and will not be moving anywhere else beyond that.
When they do a fresh era server it in no way shape or form should divert from the original honor system.
If they don’t do that, can someone direct me on how I can play classic? Since Blizzard isn’t offering it anymore. The entire reason I play classic is for the honor system.
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I thought it would just be for era but apparently SoD, a fresh server, is getting the same treatment.