Can we get a 1.12 server?

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SoD is whatever. I mean I would certainly prefer the original honor system for that but I can understand why they would be trying something else on such a server.

The main issue is a fresh era server. If that comes out with this a joke of a rep grind honor system, then classic is completely ruined for PVP focused players that play for the journey of the honor grind.

It’s just bizarre to me that they would have classic but then not include the beloved and unique PVP system. All so some PVE dads can get rank 14 in between raids. It’s just mind-breaking how they thought this was a good idea.

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yes I agree, fresh vanilla should absolutely revert all pvp changes :expressionless:

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Wishful thinking, they will likely never do another classic fresh. There is no point, no money in it for them.

But maybe you can lobby to Microsoft to do one.

Maybe in 5-10 years youll see one.

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you don’t know what you’re talking about
why don’t you go level that goblin death knight up bro :expressionless: or is it too boring

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Well its been over 4 years, and they havent done a classic fresh… and havent mentioned any plans for one. Instead theyve done, TBC, WOTLK, Cata, HC, SoM, SoD… instead of a classic fresh.

Sad to see all this coping i guess… but its w.e.

I would imagine if they ever did fresh they would do it like 1.12… but simply dont see a fresh classic coming. Maybe after MoP ends, theyll restart from the beginning again and keep it going on a 5-6 year cycle. Thats still 3-4 years away at best.

You have as much evidence of a classic fresh happening that I have of one not happening. Its just opinions either way…

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I mean ok, i am from the opinion that blizzard ignore forums.
You have the opinion they take it super serious.

Funny thing is i can actually back up my opinion that they largely ignore forum feedback but you cant back up yours.

You sure are presumptuous. lol.
You made a post in a public forum, i replied it. Deal with it.

OPs didnt do anything but whine constantly since sod was announced lol.
He also do not know the difference between meta and balance if he truly believes having only warrior tanking cant be changed cause it affects “balance”

But You did.

I stand to say its a minority.

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So I have thought a lot about this…

Whatever class is BiS tank or BiS DPS will be the most popular class or classes to play… As a result if you had to pick a class to be the most numerous what would you select knowing that on a PVP server this matters a lot more than on care bear server… ???

If I were forced to make that choice I would select warrior because its the least toxic class (not talking about the players) to be top of the list because while its very powerful in both PVE and PVP, (group play), its not overbearing when solo and as a result the rest of the classes feel a lot better to play because of it.

Now this is not saying there arent things that should be nerfed on warrior like Diamond Flask, how rage scales off the map, and even potentially flurry being a bit too good… but outside of those things, I think the PVE balance of Vanilla “Raid” is fairly good as a starting point, just the spread is a bit busted because of Warrior and late game fire mage burn.

Would I like it if Retribution was a more apropriate spec to play in PVE? Sure, would I like it if Prot was also better? Sure, but should it best any Pure DPS on the charts? The answer is NEVER and it should be down like no joke 30% DPS from a pure DPS, just like Prot pala could be BiS AE tank but less good in terms of single target due to maybe a lack of threat single target; this is some place that I think Warrior should be king.

What do we do with druid? Well, perhaps make them the best off tank or tanks designed to deal with unmitigable damage by them having absurd health pools.

This is all regarding a “Classic+”, something that SoD really is not.

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I am - by willingly playing your word game even though your posts may only exist to troll.

No. I do not think that and I’ve got old posts saying it and I’ve said that in two of my replies to you in this thread. Even the short one.

If you honestly believe that I think that Blizzard takes these forums super seriously then it seems to be more of you making stuff up instead of reading what I’ve typed.

I’ll fully admit that I come here to rant but I never expect to be listened to. Things haven’t gone my way since 2020 when I binged the hell out of this game. That’s why I quit Wrath. That’s why I’ve hardly been playing WoW, that’s why I expect to not play a lot of SoD and that’s why I haven’t even been on these forums as much.

If even the focus on Era is to shift towards another audience full of people who play for totally different reasons, instead of the game being preserved, there’s nothing I can do but complain a bit and walk away and I know it.

I’d just like to have one version of the game fun in the way I think things are fun which is my right, even if that doesn’t happen, it seems bizarre to me that a person would hate that so much, or make fun of a person who wants it. :person_shrugging: Like what would even motivate someone to do that??

Can I reply to a thread asking for a 1.12 server by commending someone for attempting to get that? Yes. I am free to do that just as you are free to make fun of people.

Yes, I do think that the forums being separated may have been related to that thread but Blizzard (and especially Microsoft as I’ve worked for them so I really do know) has many departments, that’s how these large companies work. So if a forum mod makes a comment to someone then the forum team may decide to just add a new forum, changing things in the game is way different.

I mentioned that more to poke at you because you wanted to play word games.

I’m aware and wasn’t commenting on that.

This thread isn’t related to SoD.

To be honest I don’t care and don’t read that stuff because I don’t care.

What I do know is that I mained a druid for classic and I also sort of mained a lock on the ally side and never one time did I feel deprived. However, when the game moved on to tbcc where these classes were a lot better my enjoyment of the game did not increase, instead it reduced because the community part was worse. I’ve learned that I play far more for the community than I do for anything relating to how my toons play.

So I’m not going to get into these passionate balance discussions because they are not related to what I really care about. That’s my problem with SoD although I’ve really tried to not post about that a lot because people find different things fun so that’s me being respectful. It would not be nice for me to attack someone just for being excited to play their class differently so I don’t.

I’m sorry that you don’t like Xfour because he said isn’t a fan of class changes and he isn’t into SoD and I’m sorry that you don’t like me because I enjoy community in my MMO, including in PVP, over everything else.

You can do that and I’ll stand by being honest at all times. Yep even with the old ranking, while staying at the house for covid reasons, with a job and a family thing.

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Because the devs have implemented the lazy solution of attempting to host SoD and Era from the exact same game version/client, it’s really convenient for them at a programming/technical level to look the other way when something in SoD negatively affects performance and/or integrity in Era. They now have active incentives to make excuses and justifications for why whatever little changes they make to their beta seasons must also necessarily affect era.

This is like 99% down the slippery slope. Evidence apparent.

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what else has changed so much that you need a new server? you said its not just the ranking in your other post, so what else is it?

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Season of Discovery truly is the gift that keeps on giving.
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I don’t have any problems with Warriors being the best DPS in the game. Like, I just don’t care. Someone has to be, why not warriors? I don’t think this was intentional, I don’t think Blizzard knew how they would scale, and Warrior PvE DPS was semi-taboo back in OG vanilla, at least on my server.

However, two things…

  • Warrior is not a pre DPS class. They are a tank and a melee DPS. The only thing that separates them from a Paladin (or any other hybrid) is a lack of a heal spec. They fall into the hybrid category by pure definition of the term, “hybrid”, simply by virtue of being able to specialize into two different paths.
  • Like I said, Warriors being top dps is fine if you wanna be objective and not hold any alliegiance to any single class. Vanilla was never about perfect balance and other classes do shine in other areas, though Warriors tend to be decent to good in those areas too. However, they’re just way too much better, well beyond 30% in a lot of cases.

Were it up to me (and clearly it isn’t), I’d leave classes pretty much exactly as they are, with the following minor tweaks:

  • Find a way to take 10% off Warrior DPS, or do nothing to them at all.
  • Give prot paladins a taunt via judgement of justice.
  • Give prot paladin, ret, boomie, and spriest some kind of mana sustain. Likely through talents on towards the bottom of trees.
  • Maybe (and I stress maybe) some minor buff to feral and a quest to “repair” MCP to restore, and increase charges.
  • Whatever Shaman need – I don’t play Horde :smiley:

Otherwise, I’d leave it the heck alone. Warriors can carry on being the best but players can have slightly less of a reason to hate on anything that’s not a Warrior.

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Shaman I’m kinda bias on, buff enhance sustained, nerf ele so that its burst is far less effective, the only sham spec with burst should be Enhance because its melee. Enhance is actually easy to fix, un nerf windfury weapon, and reduce the cost of the casters shock spells and totems by like 30% by means of a buff shaman would gain when they apply storm strike.

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Fixed it for you!

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Agreed. Era should not have changes and Wrath Era and TBC and Wrath era servers should exist too. Totally on your side.

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No. Stop playing the same thing for 20 years straight. It’s time for classic+

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People with attitudes like this are the same people that never completed a single character in era.

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I played 2005-2006, during original classic, before BC came out. And I’ve gotten multiple characters to 60 in era. I was also one of the people asking for classic before it was released in 2019. But then I played it, got characters to 60, got bored, and realized we need classic+ with a lot of changes. Just like OSRS

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"EVERYTHING NEW is better.

EVERYTHING TODAY is built better.

I buy the latest and greatest every year and then throw the old thing in the landfill so that it can take 50 years to rot away instead of reusing things and saving the money."

That’s pretty much the entire mentality of the people who post these “go go” sorts of comments. People who are way more into shiny and new and are ignorant of what quality is.

:face_vomiting:

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Ya I mean new stuff like genshin impact and elden ring are better than old stuff. Sorry lol