the buildings? alliance helfs live in human cities. what about you?
I guess the only reason I might feel like itâs a little different from Blood elves is that Blood elves didnât really change much when they become Sinâdorei, but the Renâdorei seem almost resentful toward elements that resemble their past. At least when it comes to the Sunwell, and the light. Much of what they do would probably make any High elf priest or paladinâs skin crawl wouldnât you think?
Even Umbric says something like âHigh elf?! Please! Why would you want to be a HIGH elf when you could look all tragic and brooding?â which would suggest that he sees some distinction from himself and High elves.
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Oh itâs definitely different. Void elves did change. I just mean to say, because of the way they changed, claiming theyâre not âhighâ elves is true, but also⊠Not?
They didnât have a choice and itâs not like any time passed. Theyâre still who they were.
Physically theyâve changed (to what degree Iâm not actually sure blizzard have actually nailed down themselves) but as a people theyâre not. Aside of course from the use of and dealing with the void.
As a whole it would probably bother any user of the Light regardless of race. Thatâs dogma though.
Much like with /silly I donât treat over clicking lines on characters as canon. Theyâre often used as jokes and filler.
That said I do think they see the differences, I just think the way players see it is basically just black and white when the truth is much more grey.
Yeah I guess, it just sort of feels like after the transformation they sort of accepted their reality and just fully embraced the void and its tenets, which I imagine probably stands against everything they stood for as High elves, but admittedly this comes from their emotes and dialogue so I take it with a grain of salt.
True, but I think the light is pretty prevalent in High elven society, so I imagine it wouldnât be looked kindly upon. Even the Warlocks among the Blood elves hid deep under the city to practice fel magic.
Yeah, and Alleria is a good counter-point to it as well. Even if Umbric doesnât feel much kinship toward High elves, Alleria has shown a lot of devotion to her past, even after turning to the void she was in awe of the Sunwell when she visited.
I was actually really heartbroken that her visit had to be interrupted and ruined by the void creatures, as it was probably a heartful moment for her to return to the Sunwell after so many ears.
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If a real human, went through some sort of transformation, where they glowed black, had a different otherworldly voice, and may have weird tentacles coming out of their head, would we consider them human?
Consider the Marvel world with Mutants. I agree thereâs some division and debate but hardly a nonissue.
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Amirdrassil has a Highborne Night Elf Warlock with the DH 
I think itâs very suggestive of the attitude.
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Except the Night elves held the same suspicion and distrust for undead despite their intentions to help, which you could clearly see by speaking to them in the Emerald Dream. Iâd say the undead are pretty anti-thesis to Night elves in a way the void is probably for High elves. But what Night elves have to do with how light-abiding High elves would view Void elves is beyond me.
They descend from the same group (QuelâDorei) and even their âold group,â who are now openly being embraced by Night Elf Society, seek safety elsewhere and primarly were Arcane/Light themselvesâŠ
Just showing the attitude towards Fel Magic is pretty historical to that degree.
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Yes but theyâre fundamentally different groups that donât think alike at all. Itâs also not like a Warlock DHâs presence threatens their sacred well like Void elves do toward the Sunwell. How the Night elves act isnât an argument for how the High elves act.
But letâs not forget that up until recently Maeiv was literally assassinating Highborne.
Highborne have been allowed in Night elf settlements for a while now, and while some are open to it others still largely shunned them. Some even shunned their own kin for associating with the Highborne. Shandris literally said if it werenât for Tyrande she would have gladly killed them all as she honorbound to. So letâs not take their presence in any city as an example that the whole group has changed their tune.
I do think its funny that the argument for why High elves didnât like Blood elves were over such trivial things like the fel and siphoning magic, but now with the Void elves weâre suddenly suppose to believe that the High elves would immediately tolerate the Void, a form of magic that makes the fel look like the common cold.
They are the OG High Elves. The ShalâDorei are a capsule of OG High Elves they still shunned Fel Magic.
My only point is the current QuelâDorei would have roots in that shunning.
Thatâs why I think the sunwell is done for: To facilitate the merging of remaining high elves into blood and void elves. Itâs destruction would put the high elves back into a position of dealing with their addiction. Some will return home because if they join the blood elves they will be able to eat arcanâdor fruit to remain as they are. Others will learn from Alleria and or Unmbric that the void âisnât so badâŠprobablyâ so itâs tentacle time for them
Yes, and they ultimately exiled them for having different views to which the High elves constructed their own culture and views that contrasted so much with their own that they treated each other with outright suspicion and hostility. So what one does, does not equate to what the other does.
I would say the Void is far worse than Fel considering all the dangers it poses. And considering that it spawned from an Elf that single-handedly thwarted the High elves defenses and let Arthas in, Iâd imagine their opinions of it are not the best.
Agreed. You can see what I posted about this above.
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Agreed again.
Iâm just pointing that even other branches of the same group (Highborne/QuelâDorei) had those same restrictions and beliefs.
Blizzard took the time to include that NPC, I thought that was interesting.
EDIT: For those interested Iâm talking about AzjâTordin of House of Shenâdralar
Oh, Iâm lost on which point youâre making then. lol
Donât you think the threat toward the Sunwell would be enough for that though? I could easily see the High elves rallying together with the Blood elves to protect the Sunwell and through their cooperation mend the rift between them.
And Alleria could easily rally together like-minded High elves willing to delve into the void and rally together with the Void elves. I feel like Alleria is gonna fight tooth-and-nail to defend the Sunwell since she was not present when it fell the first time, and probably also to prove to Lorâthemar and the rest of the elves that she is not the enemy.
itâs gonna give âArthas is coming for the Sunwellâ vibes, and I think it would be much more interesting and exciting to have them defend it then for us to watch it fall again.
I see what you mean now. If a group like the night elves known for the reclusive and walled-off nature can open up and understand, so could the High elves.
Which I agree with, I think there are certain High elves who would be open to the Void (As weâve seen.) but there would also be those who could not tolerate it like the Priests and Paladins who have been taught that the void is basically evil manifested. (I think thereâs like a whole lecture on it if you stand in Shattrath)
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Not to how they are now integrating the OG High Elves, that the OG High Elves even shun their own who practices Fel Magic.
He is not with the rest of the Shenâdralar in Belâameth.
Even the OG High Elves that are now ShalâDorei did not take up fel magics until Elisandre allied with the legion.
Iâm trying to re-enforce your point that this goes even beyond being a âLightâ Elf.
Remember, QuelâDorei was just a caste of KalâDorei. We see none of these groups make allusions to practicing Void magic either.
Yep, elves typically donât see eye to eye, even among their own people. But High elves are sort of nebulous, they can be as evil and nefarious as DarâKhan, or virtuous and pure as Aurora Skycaller. They donât act in any coordinated whole.
Which is why I could easily some being interested in the void, while others would be horrified by the very prospect.
And a constant is that the majority do not (so we have seen). Even among the various groups who are (such as the ShalâDorei and the Shenâdralar) and their descendants the Blood Elves.
I notice that even Alleriaâs changes signify a departure from her past, taking on a more monocrhome look to reflect her association of the void. Even her old face tattoo is gone, or at the very least changed to better suit her new changes.
Uhm⊠Yes, most likely. Mutation is a thing and while atypical theyâd be human with mutationâŠ
Like actually youâve made it more clear to me with this that they would be considered⊠High Elves.
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