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Everything you have said is wrong, or wildly off topic its not even funny.
My original argument was BE would never have joined the horde if logic was considered.
Somehow you spun that off into an argument about horde being good or bad because you couldnât counter the facts.
Im done arguing with you.
Nope, you said they had zero reasons and I provided some.
Nope⊠that was you. I see them as benign and understand this is Warcraft.
Good, because itâs now memorialized how you cannot concede when you are wrong.
Honestly, BE joining Horde made more sense than Nelves joining Alliance.
Seeing how Sylvanas was the leader of the forsaken and already joined the Horde gave them a clear rope to follow.
OMG totally! The way Tyrande and Thrall interacted, I thought the Night Elves would be Horde side. I was so surprised upon the release of WoW.
I kind of see why they did it because itâd make sense for the Forsaken to find haven with their southern Kingdoms but then⊠we got to have reasons for War. If I were at the table, I would have argued for there to be a Stronghold/City on each continent each faction is trying to maintain. (Alliance wanting to watch the Orcs/Horde etc. and Horde wanting to allow for refugees to come to Kalimdor)
Itâd also have made more sense for the Draenei to go Horde because I think theyâd be more open minded to seeing an Eredar. They totally just like swept that under the rug.
Yes except for the fact in a real word scenario no blood elf would ever forget the sight of undead slaughtering their kin and destroying their society.
The forsaken could have been the kindest souls on azeroth and that image would remain.
You all act like watching everything you hold dear be destroyed is just something you can shrug off and forget.
Factions as a whole was a mistake. Should have made Theramore the human âcapitalâ and stormwind a neutral/villanous force ruled by onyxia.
Nah keep Stormwind the same, having that tension for both factions would be a good story device (Sylvanusâ arc would make more sense with it).
I would have created a Horde city where the Zepplin goes currently, again refugees and access to resources. After all, majority of wars are over resources.
Though what race would have gotten the Druids would have been⊠(Iâd have gone Dwarf⊠but yah know). Like I see the pieces that made it the way it is but thatâs not what we got.
EDIT: Fun fact my first character was going to be a Dwarven Mage before they took it away. It turned in to a Tauren Shaman and I had a Night Elf Hunter. Until I settled on a Tauren Druid .
Thatâs giga cope.
You know it canât.
They are not. they are the very few limited almost extinct former âquelâdoreiâ that havenât gone back to QuelâThalas. And you donât even know the background about these NPCs either way.
They are considered extinct as a race as they had fewer than gnomes 20 years ago. The High Elves are Blood Elves.
I find hilarious these entitled alliance posters demanding to have a race from Horde because they want
I donât support adding HE other then merging VE/BEâs at this point.
But if we are using the numbers arguement, we should at least point out that VEâs is even FEWER in number then HEâs, and they are playable.
Population arguement died with the release of VE.
The arguement should be why we should use the BE model for a THIRD time with no alterations.
It never made sense actually because PCs are 1 person âlore wise.â
We all do not exist.
What does make sense is, itâs a Horde playable race. Iâd be willing to bet many on the Horde would be fine with Night Elf and Blood/High Elf being both sides.
I mean, I would imagine some of the Night Elves are probably pretty unhappy in some ways how the Alliance has them fight on their own so much.
EDIT: Itâs evident with the Primalists.
You mean them fighting back for their lands in bfa? I am pretty sure they where not alone, didnât gilneas aided them during that?
But I am fine if they get more NE-like options via nightborne.
If we watered down VEâs might as well water down other races too.
Yes and remember, thereâs a line âbecause they helped us.â
So Gilneas did, not the Alliance.
Like the enslaving, that was the old alliance just like the road is the old horde.
You mean alliance which Gilneas was part of along with Stromgarde? They were along with Lordaeron putting Orcs in concentration camps.
The old alliance was racist as all heck
Night elves as far as we all know up to until Worgens were introduced were xenophobic as hell. Barely accepted the humans offer to join the alliance because they couldnât handle alone the Orcs in Ashenvale and needed help.
Horde massecred every dranei in outland AND made a road of their bonesâŠ
You mean the Horde under the curse of blood and controlled by demons?
He did because he acknowledged that horde was infact a greater evil than old alliance.
The Orcish Horde was indeed evil, but as you all know that isnât the nature of Orcs as you may have learned when you read Rise of the Horde. The âevilâ Horde had 2 masterminds (NerâZhul and Gulâdan) manipulating the Orcs into drinking Mannorothâs blood.
The whole genocide of the Draenei was orchestrated by KilâJaeden.
The old alliance wasnât manipulated by a demon lord. They werenât under a curse.
Sorry. The old alliance was a greater evil as they were conscious of their actions.
But I am fine if they get more NE-like options via nightborne.
I love my Troll but a star wielding Nightborne Druid is top of my list and because the Druidic theme to me would fit more having merely time being the only thing separating a Nightborne from their KalâDorei heritage.
When you start talking, itâs very clear who isnât a Blood/High Elf.
are blood elf dks, blood elfs? cause i think they use the same voice fx kit as velfs
I donât support adding HE other then merging VE/BEâs at this point.
It is not going to happen, merging a class. We all know this, we shouldnât be discussing. It never happened and it will never happen.
But if we are using the numbers arguement, we should at least point out that VEâs is even FEWER in number then HEâs
The âallianceâ aligned High Elves only exist to support Alleria and Veressa. Other than that they wouldnât even exist. They would be just mobs for Horde players to kill.
The whole thing is gone.
In fact the existing High Elves should despise the Renâdorei as they were literally banished because their hunger for more power.
Population arguement died with the release of VE.
The population argument happened 17 years ago. The situation for the âhigh elvesâ of the alliance changed drastically since then. Many died in Theramore, others simply returned to QuelâThalas as it is already stated and there is no need to discuss it.
If anything alliance has a couple of dozen or so.
Population matters. The story for the High Elves is the same story for the Blood elves. They are the same people. Only the late decided to honor their fallen and changed their name while the alliance High Elves were usually not arcane users (which is weird to see alliance high elf mages and even paladins).
Iâd take with a huge grain of salt the information from alpha and betas as we know these things tend to change, so looking at the current situation, it is dire, and we donât see enough elves to justify a race.
Do Void Elves have even less? Maybe. Maybe Blizzard will decide to play out that the new Void Elves will be alliance high elves deciding to tap into the void, so for me it would work and resolve this matter once and for all.
I can see your train of though and youâre not wrong. However their actions are way more evil.
Both old alliance and horde were not good factions.
Now do the horde have an excuse for burning darnassus and it citizens alive?
They werenât controlled by demons this time, they could have said no.
The alliance hasnât done anything on that level.
Even alliance enslaving orcs is understandable, they invaded the humans world and butchered countless.
The orcs are lucky they werenât all put to the sword.
It is not going to happen, merging a class
Class? I mean race.
May or may not happen, but the race VEâs might as well not exist at this point due to sl customizations. And now what they are doing with classes.
Population matters.
They released a race to be playable with 12 members at the time.
Population is not a good arguement. Sorry.