Can we all admit that the Forsaken

Pure baseless head canon with no proof to back it up

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This is literally Blizzard telling you this in Chronicles. And I quote:

If the battle of the Wrath Gate had reached its conclusion, it might have spelled the end for the Lich King. But it was not to be.

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Literally go play Wrath and see how it actually plays out

Would haves and Could haves are pointless when discussing events that ACTUALLY took place

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Yes it does, when the Lich King was not the one who defeat the factions at the Wrathgate, and he himself had to limp away from all if it. Heck, that itself was proof that he wasn’t as invincible as we all think.

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I think what Karentae is trying to say is like lately a lot of players in game say lately: “If it din’t happen in the game, it don’t matter in the lore, no matter what the books say.”

A lot of the new and some old players who branch out to other IP and games are taking this stance now. Some like books but most just don’t and won’t even bother with what they say anymore… specially after the big rectons or changing in the lore after SL.

So the plague that was designed to KILL the Lich King, DOES NOT do what it was designed to do you somehow think that means he was weaker thank stated

Pretty much. I don’t mind discussing a books lore, in its own self contained little bubble. Otherwise, I prefer to discuss the lore as it took place in the game itself

Unreliable Narrators are a thing now because it’s blizz reminding us that the authors of these novels are often wrong

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I am fine with people head canon that book don’t matter. But that is all it is, a headcanon. Blizzard has specifically stated these are part of Warcraft’s lore.

That just means the Forsaken were sloppy and didn’t make it correctly. :grinning:

Unreliable Narrators. Which means they are often wrong and are confused about how actual events happened

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Not really, Blizzard’s “unreliable narrators” is more of this is canon until we decide it isn’t. And considering this is the last word on the subject then I am going with we were pretty close to actually killing the Lich King and had the Forsaken not interrupted(adds abit of irony to their whole stated goal) with their plague bombing then we would have beaten the Lich King that much sooner.

Xal has pretty much understood the factions at this point and realize that even Death itself couldn’t hold the factions at bay.

You can head canon any event you want. It specifically DID NOT play out that way in game and that’s all that matters

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Because again the plague happened and not because the Lich King was stronger/could have stopped the combined army.

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Again, you’re welcome to head canon any events you want. They don’t actually play out that way in game. I don’t care otherwise

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This isn’t head canon. This canon from Blizzard. That without the plague, the combines could have beaten the Lich King.

And this serves the same narrative value as say seeing Stormwind destroyed by Garrosh. It shows people what could have happened had things not happened the way it did.

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Any events you think you MIGHT HAVE happened is pure head canon Zerde

Because, AGAIN, THEY DO NOT HAPPEN IN GAME THAT WAY

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Just remember who you are arguing with Karestae.

:people_hugging:

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Head canon is me making lore up. This is lore from Blizzard.

Which is again not how Warcraft lore works. Canon is whatever Blizzard wants. You disregarding that is your headcanon and not part of official canon.

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That’s true :dracthyr_heart:

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Unreliable narrator…

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Which is code for Blizzard will retcon things up if they want to. This particular lore has little reason to be retconned.

This would be like retconning that Garrosh wouldn’t destroy Stormwind if he won. There is no narrative point and Blizzard has every narrative reason to prop up the player characters/factions even more.

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Which is code for Blizzard is, will and continues to ignore everything they put in Chronicles

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