Can someone explain why GDKP is so hated?

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I’m beginning to think you’re an unserious person…:unamused:

It will never be fully solved but you can mitigate the contributing elements. GDKP 100% is a contributing element. Even if it only helps by 10-20% it’s worth banning it.

I mean there is some technical truth to this but I don’t agree with equivocating the AH to participating in a GDKP.

Prices are determined by supply and demand, of which RMT commands its own market. With gold being an easy way to equipment in GDKP, gold has a particular high demand. When everyone has large amounts of gold, you’ll see inflation. This inflation occurs somewhat naturally when gold sinks are ineffective, sure, but GDKP being the norm centralizes the economy around what you can do to join them and get your biggest cut possible because there’s always someone out there buying more gold than you.

It’s an arms race where the anti is continuously being upped. Such a thing does not occur with the AH. The AH is simply a method for players to exchange “lesser” items with each for gold without meeting face to face. You are not in direct competition with other players in your immediate raid, for the absolute best items on offer in the entire game, for who has more gold (which is what gets people buying, to make sure they have the most).

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Why is that? Because I think investment in the game is good for its overall health?

So again, do we continue to cut off limbs or do we actually treat the issue of bots? RMT can’t be completely policed but it can be less accessible, expensive, and punished.

I wouldn’t either. But you can’t go sell 100 auctions and tell me without uncertainty that all the gold used on them was legally obtained. Just as a GDKP raid can’t ensure all the gold moved there was legally obtained. But neither of those parties have an obligation to ensure that. That’s on the responsibility of the enforcement agency.

Prices are completely arbitrary lol. They’re only weight comes from the strength of the economy and the ability for money to move hands to participate. Saying something is 100g means nothing without seeing how easy/hard it is to make that 100g.

But people make gold in GDKPs. They’re not sunk cost. I can go into one with zero gold (lied about budget) and walk out with X amount. That’s far more of an incentive considering the gear is still available to obtain for free should I get the hustle to form a more traditional group. Whereas, there isn’t that same Segway for good gold making.

That is how inflation works.

This is also true.

So why would there be any incentive for me to buy gold when I can just join a GDKP and do my part for my cut? Isn’t that the whole point of a GDKP is that the person with more gold also has to pay more for the item, and in a currency that’s usable outside of just arbitrary raid rules?

And again, why can’t you participate in this economy? Inflation is good to an extent because its encouraging market participation. You want to see some level of it, so people don’t get X amount of gold and never trade again. That’s the opposite of making an economy strong by definition.

Except it does. It’s just more condensed to fewer players hands. Things are cheaper in a non GDKP market but that’s because people have less money in general. Purchasing power is stronger in a GDKP from an active participant in that market, even outside of GDKPs. I’ve seen people with bank alts full of Black Lotus on Era. Without GDKPs, they would just horde more and more of it without a need to liquidate for anything. Or they would simply not play.

Ask how many people used a flask in an SR raid compared to a GDKP and if they bought that flask in the raid or in the economy outside of it?

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No anti-gdkp player has ever been geared to be a carry, thus they have no idea how bad SR / MS > OS is for geared players.

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You’re making the common mistake of arguing for the continued existence of GDKP for the benefits it provides to players who do not abuse RMT to take advantage of it.

The reason GDKP was banned is because it promotes RMT.

If you question the validity of that statement, go ask Blizzard for their data, as they’re the ones who stated it was “undeniable”, and stop whining at me. I’ve benefitted from GDKP too, I get all of the arguments (keeping up on raid consumes, other gold-requiring aspects kept in check thanks to steady incoming of large amounts of gold), you’re wasting your breath trying to explain to me, but it’s not about that.

It comes down to 1 factor: it contributes to RMT. Unless you can disprove that for Blizzard, it will continue to be on the chopping block on fresh servers.

Blizzard also stated they don’t like how it “erodes the value of guild organized runs”, so you can go blue in the face arguing against that all you want, but at the end of the day, it’s not me you need to convince. I, frankly, agree with Blizzard’s logic. I don’t always agree with their logic, but in this case, assuming their data shows what it probably does, I think they are right.

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Do you have a source for this?

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Blizzard is my source.

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Don’t they have a profit motive though?

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It was banned because people running bots to sell gold convinced low agency players that GDKPs were harming them.

And they ran an entire campaign to secure their gold selling bags

With GDKPs 90% of gold buyers disappear overnight

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I don’t know, I don’t see a point in engaging with conspiracy.

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Of RMT cheaters. The end.

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So corporations in the US do have a legal obligation to make decisions in the interest of profit generation just as a heads up.

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How does this relate to Blizzard mitigating RMT by banning GDKP?

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Because banning GDKP wasn’t to limit RMT or botting. It’s an attempt to attract players who think GDKP is pay to win. Fat GDKP pots are an easy scapegoat from the real issue players have in this game. A new player would think, no GDKPs no bots or RMT, right?

Short term profits don’t care about the game falling flat on its butt later on either. They’ll find another way to try and squeeze money from folks.

You also pointed out earlier I think that if RMT was their actual focus it would have more sever punishments.

Fun fact. I got a 14day suspension in P1 SoD for RMT (to use on the AH and investment in later phase consumes). I started up my 2nd account on the same battle.net account later that day.

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Okay so your argument is that Blizzard is lying.

I really have no interest in debating conspiracy, as stated.

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They’ve never said they banned GDKPs because of RMT, unless you have a source for this.

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Sure, read for yourself.

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It sure does. But it’s false in saying it’s an “arms race” to buy gear.

Who is it an arms race for lol? I’m fine with whoever wants to pay the premium so long as the content gets finished.

The whole statement in itself is a joke and doesn’t give any solidifying reasoning as to what it plans to accomplish. Just some good feeling vibes is all it’s saying it’s trying to do.

I wish more people who played in the GDKPs with me RMTed so there wouldn’t be so many leaches not bidding on things.

They start off the reasoning with how it erodes guild structures. It’s so dumb of a statement the more I read it lol as if a Guild can’t use GDKP.

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Listen, your personal experience may have been negatively effected by not being able to do GDKP. I don’t reject that premise.

Fortunately, the experience is improved for everyone as a whole by RMT being reduced. So while you may not explicitly notice that because it’s not something right in front of you that you can feel or touch it doesn’t change reality that the health of the game is improved by banning GDKP. You just have to trust that it works.

You are choosing not to trust that, and that’s your prerogative, but this isn’t a topic to vote on such a question. It’s already banned. Any whines you have should be directed at Blizzard as they are the ones with the power to re-implement it or change their sentiment (unlikely in this case because they’re very correct).

To be blunt: cheaters ruined GDKP for everyone legitimately enjoying them. In some way, that sucks, but it’s still for the good of the game.

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Except I’m seeing the bots just as expected and the 3rd party sights operating just as expected.

GDKP is just the scape goat because it’s opening the most valuable items in the game to a potential market.

The GDKPs just exemplify the problem. That’s their real issue. All of the issues people have with what GDKPs do to an economy happens with time. GDKPs create a stronger economy that requires more market participation.

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So make the argument to Blizzard, good luck.