Can someone explain why GDKP is so hated?

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I liked it. I could raid whenever I wanted instead of having to stick to a schedule. I also didn’t have to deal with weirdos in a guild. Honestly I’m not trying to make friends in this game, I just want to raid.

It’s super weird not signing up for a raid, then getting hate messages for not showing up. Guild raiding is honestly a relic of past - hate it or love it. Guild drama is just not worth it when there’s other games to play.

People will always buy and sell gold. I can see how GDKPers who are rich can raise the prices of things, but it seems the amount of hate for GDKP is much deeper than that.

So what is it?

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It’s a lot of irrational rabid foaming at the mouth. You’ll see it in this thread in about 30 seconds.

A lot of people seem to be absolute zealots when it comes to their hatred of GDKP and insistent that it is the reason for RMT. Some even go so far as to accuse anyone saying anything positive about GDKP of RMTing.

Some claim that it degrades the social aspect of the game.

I can tell you two things for sure from my experience with GDKP in Classic Era. You can GDKP and do just fine without the need to RMT. And the social structures in the game are just fine. I’ve been with my guild and have been raiding with them for nearly two years. I’ve raided with other guilds and their social structures are just fine. People know each other. People are chill. People help each other out.

Extremely high chance some rabid dog will accuse me of RMT in this thread. But I have never and will never RMT. I find it to be despicable and I let the people that I play with know that.

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This is why. The end.

I saw it in 2019 Classic. Once GDKPs and boosting took over the economy, the price of everything shot through the roof. It became impossible to keep up, unless you bought gold. I ran out of gold in AQ and unsubbed.

Guild raids and GDKP cannot co-exist. The existence of GDKP’s and the inflation that they cause via RMT, pushes the price of consumables up to a point where guilds can’t raid because they can’t afford consumables. You can’t farm consumables, because the nodes are camped by bots/gold sellers. It’s a viciois cycle.

So GDKP eventually replaces all guilds. It’s no longer optional.

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Swipers still trying to rationalize a terrible system.

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Because players think that gold buyers buy gold to raid in Gold DKP raids, but really the gold buyers mostly cannot afford enough gold for gold DKP when they find out that items like gressil go for 2 times the gold cap, then get mad because they can not afford to buy their way into full gear let alone the weapon they want. Gold buyers hate gold dkp raids because they cant afford them. Botters hate gold dkp raids because the gold dkp players do not need their gold, and the gold dkp raids pay out more than most players can afford to buy in gold.

The only raids I have seen where gold buyers do turn up are in ZG and AQ20 raids where the items are cheap, but they are actually kinda rare to see now days since all the gold buyers abandoned Classic era to play on SoD and now Anniversary realms.

The gold buyers are on Anniversary realms right now, poisoning the auction house, and destroying the economy because instead of buying gold to do ez mode cheap raids they instead buy gold to buy consumables for their characters progression in raids like molten core and eventually blackwing lair, oh and they buy gold so they don’t have to farm materials for engineering.

As an interconnected thing the economy reacts to the purchased gold the prices go up and the botters farm more gold for the players who constantly buy it. Blizzard is basically enabling this by not banning the gold buyers. The funny part is now these gold buyers cant blame gold DKP for the problems, because really it never was the problem, it was always the gold buyers who destroy everything.

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Maybe the GDKPs I did were different…but to buy enough gold to get gear was totally stupid. If you just did a raid for 2 or 3 lockouts, you got enough to start buying items for BIS. Anything not BIS was always cheap. I never felt a need to buy gold to do GDKP.

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I think I did one GDKP total in 2019 Classic just before TBC released and I spent gold in it. Didn’t make any from the GDKP. I never once had a gold problem or an issue affording anything and I even provided my guild with most of their black lotus.

This was a you suck at making gold problem not a GDKP problem.

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Yea, you’re right. I played the game for a year and a half, then suddenly forgot how to make gold. My bad. :clown_face:

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I’d say you never had it figured out to begin with. What did you do to make gold? Farm linen cloth? Lol no but seriously, what did you do?

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I don’t have any issue with GDKP myself – it’s how a chronically-unguilded curmudgeon like myself has any real chance at raid loot.

if Blizzard was better about policing RMT and actually slapped offenders with a harsh penalty (which doesnt necessarily need to be permanent account closure on the first offense), then perhaps the “GDKP = RMT” arguments would lessen.

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I think it’s all actually something much simpler than all of this.

GDKP is perceived as a system that awards based on something other than skill. Whether the skill is a social skill that helped players find friends to work together to gear up or whether it’s actual gameplay/combat skill… either way, GDKP is not considered skill based.

Yes, you can argue that farming gold is a skill, but I’d argue that it’s a skill completely separate from the social/gameplay skills related to raiding/legitimately earning the gear.

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This is an issue with your guild, not all guilds

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I can think of a few Era guilds that have been around for a long time that would take a nasty dump on this theory real quick.

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I can understand this argument I guess
I did gdkp in wrath, low performers were usually grouped with other low performers. But does clearing classic raids really require much skill? Speed running maybe

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WoW is a social game, that’s the best part of the game, without the social aspects the game is pretty trash honestly.
If you don’t want to socialize with other players, then just PUG, there’s really not an issue there.

GDKP’s are the most pervasive way of allowing RMT to let people pay for the best items in the game. That alone is a great reason to ban them period.

If there are no gold buyers in a GDKP run, suddenly you’ll see that the payouts are no longer worth it. Without gold buyers and RMT, a 50g payout from a GDKP is laughable.

That’s why there’s all these scummy things like minimum bids, organizer cuts, and people bidding up items with no intention of actually buying them, just scamming for a larger payout.

There is absolutely no reason why you can’t do everything you were doing via a GDKP, but via a PUG or a guild.

You don’t want to have a set schedule?
Join PUG’s that will be formed every weekend.

You want to have a set schedule with the same raiders?
Join a guild and raid on a schedule every week.

Everything beyond that is just made up BS by people who miss being able to pay gold (or RMT and buy gold with dollars) for the best gear. and benefit from gold buyers.

All this BS about “Oh people are so much better in GDKP’s” Made up BS, it’s the same exact players.
If you’re selective about who you invite to your raids, there’s literally no difference between a normal PUG and a GDKP.

However, again, the biggest difference is the GDKP system directly allows people who RMT to purchase the best gear in the game for real money.

The solution to all of this, is just go play the game and have fun, that’s the whole point.

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And that gold came from gold buyers.

I’m a little curious who’s pro-gdkp posting alt you are, since this thread was the first post from that character you’re using. It’s amazing how almost all these gdkp threads are made by characters with 0 posts. :rofl:

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This is complete nonsense. Assuming players with massive sums of gold don’t quit the game pots will snowball into infinity the longer a server lives on. Even if all you do is raid log you’re generating a significant amount of gold just from killing bosses. This gold doesn’t go away when it is spent in a GDKP. It just circulates to other players who then eventually feed it into the pot.

So a 400k pot, as unfathomably large as that may sound, is quite feasible on a server where people have been running Naxxramas on multiple characters every week for years without the need for literally any RMT whatsoever.

Now of course RMT happens. The existence of bots tells us this the likelihood of RMT transactions is quite high. But to say that GDKP wouldn’t work without RMT is just silliness.

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Is it really that hard to believe someone is just using the forums instead of trolling here all day

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Think about your argument for a second, and make it into a real life example instead of a “on a curve of infinity” hypothetical.

How long would it take for players to get to 400k pots without any gold buying?

Think about repair costs, consumables, and then like you said “even if you just raid log” how are people going to get anywhere near that amount of money.

That’s 10k gold per person to get to a 400k pot. And that’s just the amount players would be willing to drop on an item, not their entire net worth at a time.

Is what you’re trying to describe even possible in the year and a half timeline of Classic Anniversary?

What you’re saying is as you said, complete nonsense, that is impossible in real life for players playing the game.

Just think for a second.

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Here are some of the reasons people hate GDKPs:

  1. Players that like to play ‘guild structure’, they hate GDKPs because it takes away the power of guilds to monopolize raids.
  2. Gold sellers that run bots - they dislike that raiders don’t have to buy gold
  3. Players that don’t parse, they cannot get into GDKPs (unless they buy gold) so they are upset
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