READ MY ARGUMENT.
I AM GOING TO GOUGE OUT MY OWN EYES BROTHER.
The GDKP ban means nothing BECAUSE they won’t do the things you’re talking about. First step ONLY MATTERS, if it’s not THE ONLY STEP.
JFC why do I have to hold your hand and spoon feed this to you?
The RMT will happen anyway, has been happening REGARDLESS as a BOOMING BUSINESS, for 20 years. If Blizzard is lucky enough to somehow not sink this game, it’ll boom for another 20 years. GDKP is not the problem.
So there is a benefit you both admit, and it’s a positive step, we agree.
So what’s the issue?
Its a placebo like the warrior above is saying because Step 1 is the only step.
Youre convinced its a positive change but they arent doing anything that matters.
They shut you all up because gdkps are banned.
Do you notice how none of you are mad about rmt and bots now?
You ate the whole placebo pill.
Yeah that’s what I thought.
Back pedal and cope.
I have literally just said they need to do more, ban gold buyers more aggressively, and ban bots more aggressively.
What part of that is shutting me up and taking the placebo pill?
We agree they should ban bots, we agree there’s still RMT and they should do more.
What I’m saying is banning GDKP’s is a positive step to reducing RMT and you both agreed and said it did have some positive effect.
So what is the problem? It’s like you’re just screaming into the void for no reason even tho you agree banning GDKP’s reduced RMT and had some positive effect.
You should be pushing to ban more botters and gold buyers, NOT pushing to bring back GDKP’s if you want to continue to reduce RMT.
The issue is that it virtually did nothing to combat RMT and it banned a player created loot system.
A lot of ignorant players have been taught to think gdkp=rmt and that’s not reality.
They wont do more.
This is all youre going to get but you will settle for it, is the whole point im making.
The issue isnt gdkps, its point blank rmt and bots.
You see gdkp and you insta assume its rmt.
Youre literally being fooled.
The positive effect doesn’t exist. The RMT happens regardless? The positive effect is that they can see the gold trades easier and then NOT do anything with that information? How is this positive in your eyes? Please explain. Without repeating “it’s positive because I can’t possibly comprehend that they aren’t doing anything besides banning GDKP”.
That’s it. They set up a 1 step plan to make you all believe RMT is no more. They will not ban the bots. They will not ban RMTers for more than a few days. They will do nothing. And you will all believe it’s problem solved, while your guildies swipe away so they can raid log. But atleast now the amount of gold per swipe on average is lower right?
We’ve been screaming this forever.
We already described how the ~5 BOE’s that both of you named is much less of an issue than numerous raid items from numerous raids tiers encouraging RMT via GDKP’s.
You guys proved my point there. That is a positive step. Removing the GDKP ban would be a negative and a step backwards.
You all seem to be stuck on “Well RMT happens anyway so unban GDKP’s”. Even tho both of you guys just agreed it has SOME positive benefit.
They need to do more, we agree there too.
So what the hell is the point of screaming about unbanning GDKP’s which would be a step backwards.
To me it’s just desperation for this loot system, and feigning ignorance about how badly GDKP’s do incentivize and encourage RMT.
It not the only step, but it is better we agreed.
Why keep screaming into the void to go backwards?
Because removal of GDKP is a cop out that is an invisible step forward.
The positive effect isn’t used because they don’t follow through on bans.
IF, they did that, I’d agree with you. However, they don’t, and won’t.
We’re in the worst of both worlds state, where now I simply will not go to pugs even if I need loot from the raid because it’s not worth the issues of pug groups when content doesn’t literally fall over when you sneeze on it. The playerbase can not handle content more difficult than the bare minimum and even that is a stretch.
Ok cool, if it’s not fun then don’t play.
Personally I haven’t had that issue in PUGs or guild runs. I clear raids just fine regardless of GDKP’s or not.
I think that’s all there is to this discussion after all that.
Im not making an alt now and im sure lots of people feel this way.
Imagine doing pug runs that arent gdkps.
Couldnt be me.
I cant wait for TBCC Fresh, lets see your pugs clear pre nerf vashj and stuff.
They wont.
3-4 bosses and call it quits, typical pug.
In all fairness they also do ban waves(months after the bots have been dumping gold into the game) and send out thank you mails.
Oh yeah you’re right, big true. RMT is defeated in that case.
Like I said, if it’s not fun, then cool, don’t play.
This is some crazy temper tantrum hyperbole, but again, if it’s not fun, don’t play, it’s all good.
Notice how you have gdkps speed clearing and full clearing heroic Cata content.
But notice how you never see those kind of discords being spammed in wow ever?
Wheres the MS/OS pugs that are doing full clears of heroic raids, or even stuff like full clearing Sunwell.
They dont exist.
I mean the players on your side are trash cans.
Its not that it isnt fun, the content is, playing with people like you and trade chat players is whats not fun, yall are terrible at the game.
You wont notice that in Fresh atm since raids are brain dead, wait til TBC Fresh and we gonna see how good those pugs are.
Your guild wont even full clear ssc/tk i bet let alone a pug.
My guild that was able to kill prenerf vashj/kt ran into roster issues during SWP and gave up without killing M’uru. I got my only kills in GDKP’s and a guild that PAID ME, to play arms for them despite not having full clear logs. I made like 3k for going to a SWP as an arms warrior lol