another benefit for GDKPs was that you learned ALOT more of the raid mechanics and class mechanics since alot of them were speed run based. You ended up learning how to clear nax in 1-1.5 hours which is really dad gamer friendly.
Hate to say it, but no other raid system can do this. SR historically takes like 3 hours, and no one has time to sit in nax wiping on patchwork cause people want to mess around instead of game lol.
GDKPs still banned stay salty swipers.
I can get behind this take. If it didn’t have big consequences on the economy that would be a good reason to mostly/only GDKP for gamer dads.
No we hate gold buyers as well but they don’t come to the forums trying to convince people gold buying is totally cool and shouldn’t be banned like the GDKP people do.
All GDKP’s benefits are in a vacuum.
It’s a good raid format. In a world where RMT was literally impossible or non-existent, GDKP would single-handedly dominate as the raiding format of choice for a vast majority of all pugs.
The problem, however, is RMT does exist and is unlikely to ever not exist.
So when you zoom out to see the actual macro issue with GDKP, you’ll see that it fuels systems that negatively harm the game as a whole despite the positive experience it provides on a micro level to players engaging with the raid format.
GDKP isn’t inherently bad in and of itself, but we live in a world where unfortunately it will always unquestionably contribute to RMT proliferation.
Everyone arguing for GDKP seems to be missing the forest for the trees here, because the rebuttal to “GDKP contributes to RMT” is not “GDKP is a good raid system”.
Your only avenue is to argue that GDKP does not contribute to RMT and this is an absolutely absurd position to take. You know it. I know it. Blizzard knows it.
Should just ban gold transfers more than 100g ;).
BOOM solved RMT. Did it in 2 sentences instead of a tirade again GDKP 
You think that’s going to happen?
I agree the ban is great and discourages you p2w kiddos which is a net win for us all.
I don’t do pugs so there is little chance we would find our selves grouped. Best of luck.
I think the vast majority of players who are anti-gdkp, are also anti gold buying.
However there is a large portion of current WoW players that are pro gold buying, and in my experience those are the same people that are pro GDKP.
There’s absolutely nothing that you do in a GDKP, that cannot also be done in a PUG.
By definition a GDKP is a PUG, just with gold bidding instead of rolling.
You want good runs with higher skilled players? Check logs and require world buffs like most PUGs already did regardless of GDKP.
This whole idea of “GDKP has skilled players, PUGs have noobs” is just a BS lie made up by the pro GDKP and pro gold buying crowd.
The players are exactly the same if you filter exactly the same.
Same reason you’ll keep hearing about “GDKP’s are only filled with the good players, every other PUG is just trash players” even tho you can check logs, or gear, or world buffs, etc. just the same for a PUG as a GDKP.
But it makes them feel better to think they’re in some elite club of gold DKPers. And they conveniently ignore the fact that their runs all require dedicated “buyers” before they start.
It’s pretty funny when you zoom out and look at it from the perspective of playing a video game for fun as a leisure activity. This is a whole different beast for some people.
Honestly, is this just troll bait? RTM is the real reason, always has been, and always will be.
No, not all, or even half, of GDKP players RTM. I’d even go so far as to argue it’s less than 1 in 5 who actually RTM. BUT, the issue is that if 10-20% of players actually DO in fact RTM, then it’s poisoning the well entirely. Maybe, maybe if it was 1 in 50 or even 1 in 100, I’d be in your side agreeing with you. But that’s not what’s transpired where GDKP has been allowed.
So, please take your own advice, and not throw out illogical and irrational defenses of GDKP?
Nope. Literally just read the thread and you’ll find the fools I’m referring to. They jumped into this thread to remind everyone that every person who has ever GDKPd also buys gold, which is obviously not true. A half wit could tell you that.
Also I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m merely saying that GDKP != RMT, which you seem to agree with and I think should be fairly obvious. I also find the alleged increase of RMT from the existence of GDKP to be questionable, at least in Era where people are more concerned about the long term. And lastly I find Blizzard’s solution of banning GDKP to be lazy and question its effectiveness at ridding the World (of Warcraft) of RMT. I’d like to see them fix the problem without compromising our loot system options.
So many pro gdkp players have already said this.
We all know it incentivizes RMT. But if you want to go down that road so does the AH, so does mount costs, etc.
It’s annoying that most anti gdkpers won’t acknowledge that RMT will be there no matter what you do.
Blizzard needs to get it together and actively ban bots, gold buyers, and sellers.
Everyone who supports GDKP’s does not buy gold, sure.
(Even if a large % of them do but not 100%)
However, everyone who buys gold does in fact support GDKP’s.
The reason is simple, if you buy gold GDKP’s directly benefit you to the highest amount of anything in WoW period. So obviously, if you’re buying gold you 100% support GDKP’s.
There is not a single person who buys gold to cheat in WoW that would ever say:
“You know, I think this GDKP thing is just unethical and not good for the game, but I love buying gold and will continue to do so”
By supporting GDKP’s, you are directly supporting and encouraging people to buy gold to the greatest possible degree that is not remotely comparable to a mount or consumes, or AH costs.
It just is what it is.
Its clear why, they don’t like people having autonomy over their decisions and they want someone to blame for the fault of blizzard not taking care of gold buyers so they cope that its all gdkp that is the issue. I know multiple people that have already bought upwards of 1000 gold on classic fresh and nothing has happened to them and there isn’t even gdkps they are just buying it for skills, mounts, epics or stock to flip later for more gold return as gold at the beginning of server is more important than anything.
I was doing between 6 and 10 gdkps weekly during ulduar and you’d maybe find 1 swiper MAYBE 2 whaling out but their purchases of gold are so obvious a trained monkey could have banned them. I earned and spent over 3 million gold in wrath to gear my characters out for all the gdkps I did.
Cataclysm has been rather awful my current raids have prices way too high for me to purchase much so my 2 gdkp characters this expac aren’t that geared but I was able to complete my legendary staff last week and that was 300k. But anyways the gdkp ban didn’t help with sod there is still a ton of bots, even the summoners are gold sellers.
^ This is a good example, you’re talking about making 3 Million gold.
That’s absurd when an epic mount costs 1000g, dual spec costs 50g, and consumes on the AH might cost a few gold at best.
See how astronomically different the cost is that we’re talking about as soon as GDKP’s enter the picture?
It’s not surprising at all that any activity giving such an absurdly high amount of gold compared to anything else in the game has a negative effect.
A “half-wit” might also be able to surmise that saying “everyone” who does GDKP is buying gold is probably hyperbolic. You know what they actually mean. There’s no reason to be pedantic.
Makes the game directly pay to win. It’s that simple
You do know this is wrath considered right? 3 Million gold over the duration of the entirety of wrath isn’t really that much. I was unemployed and raiding sometimes more than 40 hours a week which is more than most people WORK a week.
^^
This guy simply doesn’t understand how gold just builds up overtime in wow, especially on Era which has all the combined gold of 5 years of players (including all the 2019 gold).
I hope one day you see you reality a bit more for what it is and reread your anti-gdkp posts lol
GDKP will never not contribute to RMT so that’s unlikely.
…and guess what makes it happen a whole lot faster…?