I like how warriors are getting the meme spec pep talk now lol
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People are already experimenting with fury/prot type builds on the PTR. I imagine itâll come back especially once people start out-gearing the content again and move to cleaving their way through
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Thatâs actually good for them, they use resilience as a PvE stat.
Not having devastate seems non optimal.
âfury protâ is not a thing in TBC, if youâre tanking raids you need to be deep prot.
Crushed? As in crushing blows? Or as in youâll just die?
Curious what deep prot does to make a warrior super tanky even in TBC? 30% more block value(lol) 6% reduced spell damage and 5% stamina. If those talents are keeping you alive as a tank then itâs likely your healers suck balls. Deep prot brings very little to the table when it comes to survivability.
TLDR As early as T5 I expect bear main tanks, prot paladin off tanks healing on solo tank fights, and fury prot as third tanks doing damage until theyâre needed to tank a third target. Prot warriors are going to die pretty early on in TBC.
Edit~ I forgot to mention that itâs likely weâll see an IEA meta which means devastate will lose a lot of its tps because the sunder application doesnât work/generate threat with IEA on the target. So assuming youâre actually running a meta specced rogue that in itself kinda screws over prot threat.
IEA makes devastate a lot less impressive. Not to mention that once you get to 5 stacks of sunders you stop gaining additional threat from the sunder applications. Dev is a decent ability, but meta raids are going to make it sub optimal.
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Fury prot will probably be fine or even good during leveling but will fall off in raids. Itâs more of a failing of the fury tree, like not being able to sweeping strikes in defensive stance, where youâll want to sit even when dual wielding, than the prot tree, but you can tell fury prot will work from just Bloodthirst with Tactical Mastery. It might be fun to experiment with while people are still theorycrafting but itâs unreasonable to think it will go similarly to Classic. Donât forget that one of the reasons to use fury prot is to handle threat issues (especially with the world buff meta) so the pressure to run a dps tanking spec depends most on how well people can handle threat while the raid puts out as much dps as possible. If prot can maintain aggro then there is no pressure to run a risky spec like fury prot.
Without that Warriors fall even further behind Paladins and Druids in terms of EH, as a Tank that is already at the bottom of the EH heap among Tanks. That means where a Warrior needs to socket for more Stamina so that back-to-back hits donât kill them, the other Tanks can go for Spell Power (Paladins) or Agility (Druids), survive the same hits, and now hit far harder.
Losing out on EH scaling is just no bueno.
This just means that Warriors have to make a hard choice between threat and survivability that isnât just a change or two of trinkets and gems, but an entire respec, putting them in a far worse overall position and probably better off as some buff/debuff bot while speccing for Arms.
Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr they can go fury prot and do 90% of the dps of a full fury while still being able to generate threat on off tank targets when needed. Warriors are a utility class in tbc, part of that is giving up on the prot dream and realizing that bears are going to be main tanks. If bears are main tanks then why would you want to be deep prot?
Sweeping strikes is an amazing aoe threat spell, and considering how terrible prot warrior aoe threat is I canât imagine the battle stance requirement being an issue. All you do is pop it as youâre running in to a pack and you will use your charges well before the duration runs out. Even if you grab adds mid pull you just stance dance for a global and youâre doing solid aoe threat again.
Also, fury prot wonât be dual wield tanking until they out gear current content. The purpose of the spec in TBC is to effectively off tank and dps when tanking isnât needed.
SS will still be good, just not great or bad. Having another tool wonât be a detriment, but it requires mixing it up. Luckily prot gets better stance dancing but that still doesnât make it ideal. Sorry I wasnât clear. Just trying to make the point about getting 100% mileage. It wasnât meant to be a knock. I think my point still stands, though. Either prot will handle threat well or youâll need fury prot to generate threat while staying survivable.
I think itâs pretty much consensus that bears will start to out threat prot in t5 and completely blow them away in t6/sunwell. Obviously things can change, but if you assume that to be true then I just donât think prot warrior has a spot in raid unless you donât have a bear.
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No offense but I already went through classic raiding experience trying to âplay my own wayâ and I that led to my GM threatening to gkick people
0/31/30 offtank, particularly if you have an IEA rogue, is a very serviceable build. No, you wonât be tanking bosses in DPS gear while dual wielding, but you get almost all of protâs survivability, similar threat output to deep prot, and when doing pure DPS on a fight, you arenât completely terrible (~20% behind full fury but not 80% behind like full prot).
i mean you CAN
doesnât mean you should
Don the shield or reroll something useful like prot paladin or bear.
Unless youâre staying on vanilla servers in which case lmao
In an off tank/dps role I think imp hs and parry are probably better than imp sunder imp sw and shield mastery. Imp tc is also an option instead of more parry I guess? Deep prot talents just donât really impress me if you assume the warrior isnât main tank.
Fury prot would be wearing a shield while tanking until they completely outgear the content, maybe forever. The point of the spec is being able to easily throw good dps at a mob and then next pull effectively tank something as a second or even third tank.
fury in tbc
good dps
Sshh nobody tell him
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