Calling it Body 1 & Body 2 feels objectifying

I asked specifically, who was upset about it being male/female? Why do you assume someone being upset had anything to do with the change? The only people I see upset about this insignificant icon you see for all of 3 minutes on character creation, are people like you :thinking:

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Are you not in the LGBTQ+ community here?

Now that the system is being put in place, it would be nice to get some stuff like skinny Kul Tirans.

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Yes, that’s why I’m asking. Who was upset? I’ve commented in a dozen threads about people angry it was changed to a picture instead of a symbol - never once seen a thread asking for it to be changed tho. So where are all of these LGBTQ+ outrage demanding this to be changed? You’re blaming us so surely you must have some examples right?

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And thick Trolls!!!

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I don’t understand why you keep talking about the icon. I don’t care about the icon, I like it and can give less of a crap about the symbols, I see them all the time in Astrology where they reference far more than gender.

And I’m talking about the people who asked for more inclusion and neutral pronoun crap. Very clearly this is Blizzard’s response to it, because you’re right in your implications: Nobody has/had a problem with it at all, nobody asked for it to be removed, so with the process of elimination why was there a change?

Because you asked for it. Maybe not directly but there’s little doubt on why it was done.

And since nobody had an issue with it and it was fine as it was, why don’t you take yourself to the thread where people are in an outrage over the removal of the Silver Dragon portrait for rare creatures. When you change things that work, have been working for ages, there’s going to be someone who doesn’t like it.

You could say to virtually all of them as well regarding the Silver Dragon portrait, “You only pay attention to it for like 2 seconds.” So then why are they so angry? Could it be… people have feelings about things with a desire to relay them? No… by your accounts that’s impossible, there’s no way.

This change is more personal because right now no, it is not something I’m just seeing for 2 minutes in a creation screen because it’s not even out yet. It’s something I’m having to see everywhere on reddit, the forums, articles online, etc. With so much focus on it in my face, oh yes, I’m starting consider whether I like it or not because I have had enough opportunities thrown at me to bat it around in my head.

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That was a lot of words to say ‘LGBTQ+ people weren’t mad about the icon, I made that up’

OP discovers LGBTQ+ people exist,

Like it, don’t like it, whatever. LGBTQ+ people aren’t going to stop existing on your whim

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Because Human language is god damn garbage that can’t relay anything effectively in feeling without it becoming a damn novel even though language was created in the first place to relay them. Emotions are complicated, suffice to see you have no proper awareness of this.

You keep saying that disconnected to me like I haven’t said I’m homosexual and even intersex a hundred times on this forum and even mentioned in the thread.

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Your angry that this icon was changed, blame the LGBTQ+, upset you have to see them everywhere…yet can’t produce one example of them caring about this change at all :roll_eyes: I think you might be projecting tbh

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Alright, you’re trolling. I’m done with you. Can’t believe I wasted my time.

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You can’t give me one single example of an LGBTQ+ person that posted on the forum demanding this icon change. One.

I can give you a dozen examples of anti-LGBTQ+ haters posting about how upset this change makes them. Just look at my post history.

I point this out, and that’s somehow Trolling? Okay.

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I look at all the effort you put into this whine, and THAT is what you decide is too much of a waste of time?

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People aren’t trolling when you reference something multiple times then when you get called upon you refuse to show the receipts.

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Which, to be fair, most of the threads at least on the forums are basically threads like this one complaining about it.

So you kinda added to your problem.

You forgot to ask him if he wanted cheese with his whine.

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I already said that nobody did. So then why do it when it wasn’t wanted? If something is fine and there is no desire for a change how do you not get upset when there is a change that you can’t agree with on all levels?

You’re consistently going off talking going on about how I’m bothered by the change of icons when I have explicitly stated in my original post that I am bothered by being referred to as mere shapes, how it feels objectifying to me in the same way that others that are non-binary and in-between were bothered by the restriction of two options forcing them to conform to either male or female with their associated character.

Well instead of just adding more options Blizzard opted to just take away. So now those that want to conform to something like me, I don’t have the option and I’m stuck with being either Thing 1 or Thing 2. Now, I have said why I don’t like this, I said it in the original post, I’ve even used analogies, but for some damn reason you are so set over this winning idea of yours that I’m bothered about the icon.

Get on topic.

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Because Blizzard wanted to. And you jump to conclusions and write essays about how upset this makes you. But maybe they just added this so they can support more then two body types :person_shrugging:

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Honestly, I don’t understand why you think you can relate to me on this subject for effective discussion at all.

I’ve seen you talking about your own identity, discussing androgyny, you have little concern about either side or the other when it comes to gender, you’re just you. So I don’t see why you think you can provide anything of merit here when you don’t seem to have the experience of what it feels like.

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Because Blizzard had a big controversy, wanted some cheap PR, and stuff like this or replacing women with fruitbowls placates the professional offended people on Twitter.

Pretty easily, actually.

Not that I don’t have my share of things I’d get irrationally upset over if it were changed, but my levels of not caring are pretty high for something like this.

Even if you saw it and rolled your eyes at how dumb you thought it was, I don’t see why it merits as much of a response as it has been given by people who are upset with it.