I mean ‘back off this topic’ and ‘you should stay back from the Forsaken’ sounds just like ‘don’t talk about it’.
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You can and you must if you want the game to keep going lol Gen Z MAUs pay the bills, not the rapidly dwindling Gen Y and Gen X subs. Playing an unchanging narrative does not lead to interest.
Nah, it isn’t, it just breaks from your 2 decade old vision for the game, shaped by when you started playing in the early 2000s, except we are now in 2020.
Narrative-wise, they were a dwindling population until the Valkyr were gained during Wrath, and that problem is now back. Narrative-wise, the Forsaken continue rotting in undeath, leading to a two-fold degradation of the population, which again remains.
This is nostalgia-derived speculation talking.
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And screaming around defect come to Sromguarde. If that’s not a mistake. You’re making it pretty easy on Calia. I wonder why.
Funny thing the Forsaken have actually a necromancer among them.
Yeah because I have so much “nostalgia” for the Forsaken.
As I said before. The only bad person here for the story are the view people like you with all this resentment against a part of the player base.
I have nothing more to say to you on this. Your words were clear enough. You don’t care.
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That wasn’t even a mistake. Parqual needed her help and she gave it to him. Not doing so would have gone against everything she was.
Plus as you said, she didn’t reveal herself until Sylvanas called an attack on her own people, in a desperate attempt to get them to safety.
That’s a mistake related to listening to Parqual and I don’t consider them separate.
And given the fact that the Dark Rangers were already in the air, I’d even say that it was moot because by that point everyone was about to die anyway and at least getting to the protection of Stromgarde may have saved them lol.
And yes I am making it easy for Calia, because the argument that she went there to get everyone to defect is incorrect head canon that this forum created for itself and have echo chambered to the point where most believe it to be true.
Which it is not.
Did she try to take advantage of the chaos of the defectors caused? Absolutely, and I’d back anyone making that argument.
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Nobody hates any part of the player base, we’re just saying that the same narrative position after two decades is stagnation and boring, but people like you would rather that stagnation because Change Is Bad if it touches your imagined ideal from 17 years ago that you believe needs to be sustained as gospel truth.
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You mean like ignoring her people her whole live and shaking around with a random soldier ignoring her duties to the crown? Giving up on her crown in Legion? You mean those things? She was nothing before this.
Thant’s no what I sad, was it? Your argument seems simply like an excuse.
I agree on that.
It really shows though that she isn’t fit to lead. Even people who aren’t like the Forsaken.
Oh yes you are. Because it’s boring for you it’s boring for everyone? Should we delete races next?
Should I get Titan architecture as the new Troll cultural basis, because it’s “new and less boring”?
No one said that. And you know exactly you’re making a horrible straw man, see me last comment above this one.
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Which is a good thing she isn’t leading the Forsaken and is just the advisor to the actual Forsaken leader, no?
Also, just because something is right doesn’t mean it’s not a mistake. There was very little chance anyone would have survived the defection attempt unless the Alliance was already standing in the field, which they were not.
And Calia revealed herself to Vellcinda when she decided to listen to Parqual. Vellcinda told her “I’m sorry, Your Majesty. I can’t betray my queen. Not even for you.” before calling the Forsaken to retreat.
We will see what will come from all of this. Last we heard of her she wanted to be queen and Lilian doesn’t want to lead.
I hope they are going with the Council and simply ignore Calia.
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Bro all your arguments personally and many others’ arguments aren’t about the narrative itself but about “What it used to be”. It’s the same ridiculous argument that Ion is using to return damage variance (2.5% more or less than the tooltip value for each spell) in Shadowlands, “Oh well it was like this for the majority of the game, so lets bring it back/return it”. You’ve been playing this game for two decades. I’ve been playing this game for one decade. It’s going to change beyond that either of us imagine, except I’m okay with it and you are not.
You really are because all the “suggestions” you have been making for weeks relies on replacing Sylvanas with some Male NPC that captures that nostalgia feel for you.
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Her only “duty” was to be married to a stranger for political favor. No one sane would fault her for walking away from that.
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She wasn’t nothing. She was, and still is, a priestess. Her only obligation and goal is to help those who are suffering, which includes the Forsaken.
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100% wrong.
All I hear from you: “Piss on others”.
No one is saying every change is bad. Change like Calia is bad, from every point of the narrative.
Even if she would become a Yrel 2.0 it would be bad and just another villain bait. There is nothing positive for the Forsaken in it, at all.
Show me were I said anything like that.
Oh, so her duties don’t matter anymore. Convenient how you’re ignoring everything else.
She never cared about her people. She even gave up her crown in Legion (which was gone long before, but ok).
She was absolutely nothing, not even the team wanted Calia to be a thing.
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She always cared about her people, and when she disappeared there was no reason for her to believe Arthas wouldn’t ascend the throne and rule them well.
After that just surviving at all was enough of a struggle that she didn’t have the luxury of anything else.
She is already a thing, so clearly the team does in fact want her to be a thing.
Otherwise she wouldn’t be, because they kinda control everything.
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That’s why she ignored her duties and her people and married random solder X. Got ya.
You mean when Arthas murdered her Kingdom? Ok.
But now she has? Why?
Why is light my queen anything good? It isn’t.
We know that Golden was the only one who wanted them and had to argue against everyone else to get her wish.
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Nah.
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Again, she was a princess in a patriarchal kingdom with a crown prince.
She literally had no duties other than looking pretty and being sold to a stranger for political clout.
She disappeared long before Arthas went insane.
Because she didn’t have the scourge trying to eat her 24/7 anymore for one.
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She’s not your anything. You’re a troll (in both senses of the word) and she’s stepping up to lead the Forsaken.
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She’s no one’s queen. She is a priestess and she;s doing what priestesses do and helping those who are suffering. If you for some reason think those who are suffering should not be helped then you are part of the problem.
So Golden’s the only member of the writing team who isn’t a psychopath who wants people to suffer for the sake of being edgy?
That explains a lot actually.
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Calia isn’t that grey area. She’s not middle of the ground. Take a look at her character (history, actions, mannerisms, etc.) and tell me which side she leans closer to.
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In retrospect sure. She wasn’t a continent away.
If you don’t get what I’m trying to say, I explain it. Some people are making fun of Forasken fans with lines like: “They only like Syvlanas because she is hot.” “Only for my Queen”. Why is it different with Calia?
No one said that. She literally never helped the Forsaken before and they are healing without her. They don’t need a white zombie barbie.
Coming from a Void elf…
And you still don’t get it. The Forsaken are healing, they even formed a council. They don’t need Calia.
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To be fair, it sounds like “the team” were the ones who told Golden to put a light zombie in the book. Her only contribution was to beg for it to be Calia.
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That’s a fair point. I never considered this possibility. I have no idea, could be.