The devs do not say this.
The idea that you’re wagging your finger at other people about being incorrect about the lore while saying stuff like this is baffling.
If you expect award winning stuff - no point to ask. But things worked and had interesting details that made things work arguably better that what we have now. (subjectively)
I think it would be enough to say that the experience of the forsaken originally was a horror-like stuff. And it can be seen in finer details. Like, they went so far from who they were, and experienced things, so that mutilating and torturing others is nothing special. Which IMO adds to just how much they’ve been through.
And Sylvanas gave them new reason to exist, to more on. There are many more things even in starting areas with a few takes on the undeath, like questioning if serving Sylvanas is that much different from being slaves to Arthas, all the way to discovering a bunch of substences across the world for better or for worse. To improve the blight, but also, to understand it, and the ideas about “curing undeath” were still a thing.
It’s just a minor portion, but there was more than “lol kill Scarlets”. Killing scourge remnants was not the only goal, btw, supposedly Sylvanas wanted to free them.
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Valeera Sanguinar says: We have much in common, I think. Both caught between two worlds, belonging fully to neither. Yet being able to move between them offers certain advantages.
Calia Menethil says: I thought to be a bridge between the living and the undead. My first attempt ended in sorrow. But I have not given up hope, Lady Sanguinar.
© https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Rising#Horde
Ok.
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Should have
But this is not the case
Because Blizzard determines the truth, not pre-existing lore
I mean evidently that’s been retcon’d lol
Which I think is Lydia Bottegoni as per the recent article
She says she tries not to tell people what to do for the story, which is corporate speak for she probably micromanages the story.
Emphasis on BECAUSE OF THIS
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Calia is a disgrace. She needs to die period.
This isn’t really true. There are lots of high ranking Forsaken characters Blizzard forgot about, just like how there were valid alternatives to Gazlowe for the Bilgewater Cartel.
Blizzard just either forgot who was who, or they didn’t care.
But there was never a shortage of options.
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Posting in yet another Erevien rant thread
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Never been a fan of the Calia / Lightforged undead thing. If she gave up her claim to the throne of Lordaeron, i think a better position for her would have been making her the LONG overdue replacement to Benedictus as the leader of the Church of the Light.
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Oh, plot concept idea.
The Light sees Calia as an abomination and drives her away from the Alliance.
I can see, when the Light comes knocking on Azeroth’s door, they take one look at what Calia is and balks, demanding the Alliance to forsake her.
Maybe even removing the “Light-forge” from her, leaving her as only undead. Basically doing what Xera did to Illidan, but in reverse.
Gazlowe isn’t really that weird of a replacement for Gallywix. Cartels are businesses, not tribes, and its like a company hiring a new CEO from someone already in that specific talent pool.
The guy was heavily involved with the Horde a lot before, particularly the construction and rebuilding of Orgrimmar, and also helped build the garrison in WoD.
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As much as I dislike her character, that’s basically a perfect role for her.
Bridging the gap between peoples by making the Forsaken a little less bitter and the humans a little less bigoted is better than showing up out of the blue and demanding her rights as the last (un)living Heir to the throne.
I can work with this… it would at least force Calia to EXPERIENCE the actual Forsaken undead experience (a.k.a. I can feel the rott on my body?!? Ohh, look!! my hand just detached and… I can see it but I can´t feel the hurt though it looks awful?!? WTf is going on?!?)
The Forsaken have a pretty obvious body horror theme going on, and “princess” Calia gets totally away with interacting with it. It´s a prettu disonant thing to have on the racial leader.
Yup, this works too. Anything is better than the devs constantly toying with the “brilliant idea” of removing the character that asphixiated an entire race just to put another nonsensical character as a cheap replacement.
This is overlooking a lot of stuff:
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The role of cartels was not actually established as flexible until Gazlowe. In the past, things were left ambiguous. We saw groups split off from their cartels, but nearly always under hostile circumstances.
Treating new lore as something that was always true when it was previously ambiguous is disengenous. Especially since the Bilgewater and Steamwheedle function radically differently from each other as governmental bodies. -
Gazlowe being heavily involved with the Horde and being a part of the Bilgewater Cartel are two separate things. The Steamwheedle have long been an independent faction that generally leaned Horde. Even in BfA, it was confirmed they secretly sided with the Horde. Gazlowe’s exact history is ambiguous, but we know that at some point he befriended Thrall early on, and that that lead to him gaining favor as a contractor. His Horde favoritism has long been an open secret because of this. However, this is wholly independent from the Bilgewater Cartel’s history.
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Gazlowe being assigned suggests that no one else was next in line within the Cartel. That no one was vying for power under Gallywix. That there were no noteworthy or capable Bilgewater goblins.
What’s worse is the fact that Thrall is the one who makes the decision without consulting anyone within the Bilgewater Cartel. Pretty much exactly like when he put Gallywix in charge in the starting zone, something which the Bilgewater NPCs expressed reservation over.
It says “These pathetic people can’t take care of themselves, and don’t deserve to make their own decisions. I, Ka’el, will tell them how to rule themselves.”
And the fact that the Bilgewater just go along with it really paints them as the most diffident group within the Horde.
Which stands in stark contrast to how the Bilgewater are otherwise portrayed in the starting zone. The primary and most consistent trait among them is that they’re driven and ambitious. But here they are, allowing a stranger unfamiliar with them, telling them who should lead them.
It would be no different than Thrall putting Magatha in charge of the Bloodhoof after Cairne died, then years later putting Mayla in charge without any input from the Bloodhoof themselves.
It was bad writing then, it’s bad writing now.
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Gazlowe isn’t even part of the Bilgewater. He is Steemwheedle. Blizzard made a mistake in getting rid of Galylwix. He needs to return and lead ALL cartels as trade king.
The Bilgewater leadership has been consistently mismanaged since their inception imo.
Gallywix only made sense in a comedic, “aren’t goblins so ruthless and crazy” sort of way way, which is fine, but Thrall being the one to reinstate him as leader after the Cata starting quests was ridiculous.
Similarly, it makes no sense to me that he would be more loyal to Sylvanas than Garrosh, considering the latter would’ve made Gallywix megabucks given his penchant for mass-scale industrialisation vs. Sylvanas, who never did anything for him as far as I can tell*.
Then you get to Gazlowe, where again, Thrall appoints someone inappropriate for transparent narrative reasons (“we want a good goblin to be in charge now”); the feelings of the Bilgewater totally unknown and entirely unimportant.
*I feel that way about Garrosh and Sylvanas in general. The former should’ve had much more popular appeal than the latter. Any unpopular act Garrosh ever committed was more than doubled down on by Sylvanas.
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He is a bit weird as a leader. Goblins and especial Gallywyx are a mockery of capitalism with some Mafia influences.
Gazlowe doesn’t really fit the bill. He’s not as destructive, manipulative, or enslaving his workers.
So while he had some small parts in the story, he never was like the cartel Goblins. He always stayed a WC 2- WC3 Goblin, which is fine but different.
I agree, Thrall appointing Gallywix as the leader was a strange thing, but then this was also out of left field. Why can’t they appoint one of their own?
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Gazlowe is a green gnome. He is unfit to truly represents what it means to be a goblin.
Huh. You guys still take Erevien serious?
With the same Threads and Propaganda over the German Forums, English EU and in this?
I’m not taking him seriously since he tried to start a rebellion on “Die Aldor-Eu” where he got arrested in not even 30 minutes. And he was the only supporter for a rebellion. Or the part where he spams every Thread with his narrative…and the part where he necros 2 year old threads to push his Agenda.
Or… That part where he wishes that every Alliance Player dies IRL.
But you guys do you. 
Whoooa this is a new one to me. 
Although I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, given other things that have come up about him.
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I want Sally Whitemane to become the new leader of the Forsaken. I want that irony.