First of all A very small, and sadly very vocal minority of Alliance players cried out to butcher Forsaken players and people to ‘Retake Lorderon’. Most of us DON’T CARE. I have friends who play forsaken, I have a brother who is a Forsaken player. I have played Forsaken myself in the past.
Calia was born into privilege yes. But gonna clue you in on something. The Frosaken were also born into the alliance. So…not sure where that argument comes from. As for suffering at the hands of the Alliance she was in hiding ever since her brother butchered her people. While it’s not the same yes. She has not just been kicking back in some Stormwind apartment monching grapes or something.
This whole ‘She’s an Alliance plant and Alliance players are out to get us’ mentality is not healthy. I get not liking an NPC, but this is a level of Paranoia and tribalism that is borderline extreme.
I wish you a great day. And a great time in game. Stay safe out there, weather’s been crazy all over lately.
thats not really how leadership works, people just won’t follow you because you have a rank. that works only on the living where they are paid and face consequences for not following. when you have died, everyone and everything you knew is dead and destroyed, getting paid and avoiding a high elf article 15 isn’t on your priority list anymore.
they went along with sylvanas because they wanted to, not because of her former rank in life.
and they basically figured out that most people have moved on. she’s basically a dim witted idealist not taking stock of the actual situation.
raised from the dead sure, but not the homeland part. if you make a new forsaken you start out in your homeland, its just dead now.
and this is why retconning is a bad idea. the old lore may not fit on the new star chart.
that would put her near burning legion territory, more reason for calia to be destroyed.
It is rather perplexing…as well as amusing…to see players declare something non-canon, just because they don’t want it to be. I personally want nearly everything from SL to be rejected as official lore, but I don’t have any say about it.
False, her Dark Rangers literally all served under her in life, LOYALLY before Silvermoon got sacked.
Try knowing the lore.
That’s not what happened in any story she was a part of, actually. Pretty much EVERYONE that saw her, were ecstatic that she was alive and well. They thought she was long gone. Her being alive was seen as a sign of hope to both humans like Anduin, and Forsaken like Alonsus Foal.
Part of their story, even now, talks about the losses of thier HOMES and their Lives from before hand. So yes, having had thier homes taken and everything ripped from them, is a crucial factor.
They’ve already given us like 2 different Star Charts. Each Plane of Reality sees the Star Chart differently.
The one you posted is a Titan perspective. The second they gave us was a Broker and presumably Pantheon of Death perspective.
Mixing Light and Death would not give you Chaos/Fel.
Just like Light and Arcane does not create Nature Magic.
danuser and christie golden retconned a lot of the lore in the legion revamp without proper concern for how it worked in the accepted cannon, not all players are on board.
what actually happened is that a committee at blizz made up of newly promoted people wanted a female lead protagonist to seem all woke and with the times, but nobody told them sylvanas was a raging psychopath and not the person you want as a posterchild for modern feminism, so they looked into lore and plucked calia out of the forgotten characters bin and dusted her off to be the corporate approved posterchild.
then they wrote a bunch of nonesense in a book that hardly anybody read ( i couldn’t even finish it) and act like this is all official lore because blizzard said so.
meanwhile a lot of us refuse to accept this because we want the raging psychopath back.
Calia didn’t run away from the Forsaken, she was just not Forsaken until between BfA and Shadowlands, she first shows up as a character in the game during Legion, as a human Priest working with Alonsus Faol. It was Sylvanas who killed her, for no reason other than trying to bridge the human families and the forsaken, which was always a theme of forsaken lore. They are literally called Forsaken because they can’t reconnect with their human families, they are basically scourge.
no its true, people don’t follow leaders just because of their rank, end of story. there is always something else, either money or personal loyalty, but personal loyalty doesn’t come from military rank, it comes from earning it. im not saying sylvanas doesn’t have loyal followers, im saying that they managed to stay loyal after death, which means their loyalty had nothing to do with her being ranger general and everything to do with her actions as ranger general.
I’m sorry that a group of people ruined the forums for you. But do know not all Alliance players hate the Horde and it’s playerbase. The majority of Alliance players are either Indifferent or friendly. Sadly that doesn’t get reflected very well in Comments or Forums.
A lot was also retconned and re-contextualized in Cata and even in Wrath. Before Danuser and Christie really got much say in anything.
You literally just proved my point in this blurb. All rangers swear a loyalty oath to their ranger general, at least for the most part, and Sylvanas was a great one. Her first recruits when she got her body back, were other Dark Rangers who loyally served under her, and joined up with her without question.
So Druids of the Nightmare now all of a sudden use Arcane magic? lmao
Not at all how that stuff works.
Within that 6 years, I’ve seen it equally now from both sides, if it makes you feel any better, lol
I think you’re both right here. The reason the dark rangers followed Sylvanas was because she was their ranger general, but also because they wanted to. They didn’t have the thalassian military structure to force them to follow her anymore, but they lacked any structure whatsoever, so to them it was easier to continue following her lead as they had in life.
You literally don’t understand how the chart works. The chart is there to explain that if you combine cosmic forces, it can create X.
Two cosmic forces merging don’t make another cosmic force. This isn’t Color Theory, and the lore has NEVER worked this way.
Try reading.
Part of being a ranger, on the day the Ranger General is appointed, is swearing fealty and loyalty to them. Which is earned by the trail the would be general goes through on thier own.
All you’re proving is that you don’t understand the lore. All Dark Rangers were already loyal to her, and gaining thier will back, did not change that loyalty.
They were loyal to her, because she was thier Ranger General.
Yes, that is expected as the next in line of succession. Although her “death” would normally preclude that, there are no other legitimate heirs vying for the throne of Lordaeron to my knowledge.
the lore has never worked in general because warcraft was originally created to be a generic warhammer knockoff universe for a video game.
you are acting like rank and command acts like hard laws and rules of a created universe, they don’t. if the followers don’t like their leader they won’t follow, and oaths of loyalty end upon death, anything after that is people choosing to follow out of free will, not out of oath or obligation. its important to understand because it means people follow sylvanas because she is a great leader, not because she has a few stars on her collar.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Rangers and Farstriders take that oath very seriously, and the lore has already stated that they honor it even in death.
Which if you actually knew the lore. You’d know that Ranger General isn’t just some Rank or Command. It’s a title of honor and respect, that earned before someone is allowed to become the Ranger General.
With other rangers essentially voting them in, based on thier trial.
So yes, the follow her, because she is THIER ranger general. With is a position of great importance to them, and thier oaths are almost sacred as well from a cultural stand point in that regard.
Tell me you don’t know Elf lore, without telling me you don’t know it.
It’s funny when people like you go from “REEEE, it’s not cannon…I don’t like it.” to “Well the Lore never works for this game” when you’re proven wrong.