depends on if you consider “the kingdom” to be the land or the people who occupied it.
you really think a member of royalty would have anything in common with normal commoners in life? then consider calia and her special rez from the light, she’s a rich royal snob who was inserted in charge because blizz wrote themselves into a corner.
The edgy forsaken who worshipped Sylvanas and used her as an excuse to be edgy should largely be excised from the glorious reborn kingdom of Lordaeron. Light knows they’re not capable of independent thought or self-governance, so Calia is the best thing that could happen to them.
I mean, I still think she should dress more in the style of the Forsaken. Kinda like maybe a Revendreth version of her current outfit.
Like Tyrande is very Cleric/Preist in her outfit, but it still has nature/Night Elf motiffs to it. Calia currently lacks Forskane motiffs to her outfit in anyway.
But she could still have a sleek/clean/elegant outfit in a style that fits a bit more closely to the Forsaken.
This was due to the Mawsworn flying through the Breach of the SL to Azeroth. As we see in the opening quests of SL where they kidnap the leaders.
Yes, there are maintained gateways now to the SL for any character in the lore, and she can leave whenever.
But she is fulfilling her sentence to save the Night Elves she stuck in the maw, as well as finding Nathanos.
It doesn’t change the fact that the council have taken over the Forsaken as a whole, with the Sylvanas loyalists being a separate political party
she’s running on light magics, not necromancy, she might be former living, but she’s not undead.
Undead isn’t a concept exclusive to Death-based necromancy. It was made pretty clear she is undead in most ways others are except how she was raised (and lack of decay due to the speed of that).
She is a corpse animated by magic. You are trying to argue that it has to be done a certain way to count. That is a very shallow and shaky argument. She’s Dead. She’s Walking around. The How of it happening doesn’t matter. She’s Undead. You can argue it all you want. She’s listed as Undead. She’s part of the Forsaken. It’s happened. Whether you agree with it or not.
she’s not raised by death magics, therefore not undead. like you can use the technical dictionary definition of the word to fit her in, but colloquially when you say undead in wow, you are talking about something raised by the lich king or the plague of undeath.
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Do you realize that Sylvanas was a very HIGH class Noble from Silvermoon before she died.
Her mother was the first Ranger General, who was gifted Thas’dorah a branch from their World Tree (that was empowered by the sunwell), and that branch was refined in the Sunwell and turned into a bow.
Like Syvlanas was no commoner by any means. She was a rich entitled and privledged snob as well.
But she was an actual human citizen of Lorderon, and she is struggling as well in the lore to fit in with humans or with the Forsaken. She also knows what it’s like to have her entire homeland raised and destroyed.
Both are still around, and both are in lore considered the kingdom of Lorderon still.
She’s running on both actually. They literally paired them together.
Just Alexstraza’s Red Dragon Magic is a combination of Living Flame and Arcane.
She was, actually. They raise her back into life, and use the Light from the Na’aru as she was a priest, and the Na’aru wants to help her.
I’d like to point out that Teron Gorefiend (the main timeline one), the actual first death knight, was undead and his path to get there happened far before the Lich King was using any of his own powers or his plague of undeath.
She’s an Alliance stooge, a puppet who has never been Forsaken and can never be, installed to placate Alliance player demands.
Geebus, that is…an opinion. Some people get WAY too into the tribalism in this game.
I love how people who try to defend their opinion in these threads are told they’re factually wrong when those facts themselves are “opinions”.
the difference is she showed up to the forsaken and was like “arthas did this to all of us, lets get revenge”
where as calia is like “how do you do fellow undead kidz”
when it comes to the afterlife, what you were in life does not matter.
same magics, they were prototyped there, but its essentially all the same school of magics, calia was raised with different magics:
if you want something to be undead, it needs to come from the red area of the chart, not the blue area.
No. They. Didn’t.
Prince Arthas Menethil did that…not the entire bloodline. His father, the King, never did any such thing, and was beloved by his people. His sister Calia never did any such thing, and there is quest dialog that at least some of the Forsaken still consider her their respected Princess.
Even in the face of repeated attempts to correct your faulty logic, you continue to advance your opinion as if it were fact. Why?
What the hell, I didn’t vote for this chick.
Actually Sylvanas just broke from her imprisonment of the Lich King, and first got other Elves to follow her, because she was their Ranger General.
After that, the other Forsaken were inspired by her charisma and determination, and they just followed her to a new future.
She spent her entire life post Arthas becoming the LK in hiding. Even the royal families of Stormwind and Gilneas did not know where she was or what happened to her.
But from the sidelines she was trying to help her people, and was part of helping Anduin prepare for the Forsaken/Human meet.
Having thier homeland taken from them, and raised is a KEY part of the Forsaken backstory if you play the race. So it is VERY relevant to Calia, and makes her have more of a connection in that regard to them then Sylvanas had.
Weren’t the first DKs raised with a type of Chaos magic too though?
You’re missing the fact that both types of magic were combined to raise Calia. She was still raised with magic from the Red Circle.
this is part of a forced dialog pushed on forsaken players and not accepted as cannon. not that cannon even matters anymore with all the retcons.
What does it mean to be “Forsaken”? It means you were rejected by your family, your friends, whatever birthright you had, driven away and hunted down as an abomination. That’s the literal meaning of the word, why it is the faction’s name. That’s why they say, “Trust no one.”
Calia was born into privilege as Alliance, and never left it. Show me how she suffered at the hands of your own people as the Forsaken did, as pro-Alliance players demanded that they be able to massacre all Horde Forsaken players and retake Lordaeron in a giant land grab.
That’s the thing about stories and universes.
Is that Canon is decided by the creators. So unless Blizzard sold WoW to someone else, and then THEY wrote new story. Nothing that WoW officially makes can be considered non-canon by a long shot.
Calia was literally hunted and so she was in hiding before her death, due to her birthrite, and she lost her family, friends, and home too.
All Forsaken were once Alliance technically. But I’m pretty sure Lorderon wasn’t ever even part of the Alliance before it fell.
She literally suffered just as much as others from the destruction of Lorderon.
If Calia is still Alliance in your books automatically, then that makes all of Lorderon still Alliance land to begin with.