Only if you wanted to play the Scourge but with a Lich Queen and not a Lich King.
The Forsaken’s narrative, corny as it is, is about free will triumphing over fate. It is about no one controlling the lives of a people who lived under the ultimate servitude. There is no point to that narrative if the Forsaken willingly enshackle themselves to the will of another who will offer them a supposed free choice but meet the refusal of such a choice with the pain of death. It was an interesting story beat to explore, not at all explored in the depth it should have been, that the Forsaken re-became that which they sought to destroy originally.
Weirdly only Calia seems to refer to herself as the Palid Lady.
Nobody refers to Derek as her champion. Nor do they refer to him at all. He stands in the graveyard, doing nothing.
Incorrect information on WoWHead is the source for this. As data mining is unreliable.
And let’s not mince words here Sylvanas is FUBAR. They ruined her character. Instead of making her evil they made her extremely stupid.
I’m not sad to see her go unmentioned because the story was so insultingly dumb that short of a hard retcon the only option here is to just hastily move along and pretend that never happened.
The Alliance and Horde arrive side by side, unified in their front against the Legion in armistice to work together to end the Legion. It’s undeniable. It’s fact of canon. It’s in video form. It’s in gameplay when you first arrive on the Burning Shore and both factions work side by side.
No, it isn’t.
Your argument has been systematically torn apart and proven false.
Anduin himself says the Alliance has nothing on Sylvanas before Genn goes out, and to only fight the Horde should Genn discover anything. Genn tells you that he and Admiral KillHorde are leaving with the intent to kill Sylvanas irrespective of finding anything.
I’m not going to continue to humor your headcanon. You are dismissed.
you are being a fool who is intentionally plugging your ears and ignoring the facts. There was a treaty, the Horde Broke it. But blizzard chooses to ignore the fact that they broke it. Because that would require the Horde to have the ability to reflect critically on their actions, which they lack.
She is the dumbest character I’ve encountered in fiction. At least in terms of characters I am supposed to take seriously.
She decides to murder as many people as she possibly can. In service to the architect of cosmic cruelty. Because some of his lackies told her a ghostly lava eel was sad.
There is no repairing this plotline. Fix Tirisfal and Teldrassil then let’s move along and pretend this never happened.
You’re doing that thing where you assume councils will show different members with their own points of view. That isn’t how Blizzard does councils. When the main voice of the council promises a thing in game, it is done.
And personally, I don’t especially want to sit through scenes of council debates, so, fine, whatever.
What interests me is they’ve a Forsaken character for every aspect of their society. And also Calia who we can wheel out for when it’s time to play with their food.
Sylvanas was problematic even before BTS because she’d shift wildly from zone to zone as she had to personally represent every facet of the Forsaken.
It didn’t work.
So having 4 doing that and 1 as the public face sent to play nice with the boys in blue seems a really good idea to me.
Calia does represent an aspect of the Forsaken, I suppose. In Before the Storm they did some ground work to present a segment of Forsaken as being surprisingly human still, after all that had been done to them. They are the ones who were giving the idea of living forever a doubtful side eye.
Yeah the Forsaken were always allowed to die if they wanted. One does this right in front of you in Deathknell. So that was dumb.
And the Forsaken have always still been people. I’ve written at length about how I find their more mundane aspects really interesting.
Hell the saddest Forsaken quest in game is from Vanilla where you honor an undead’s dying wish to return his wedding ring to his wife.
And she doesnt go on some rant about biting the screaming faces of the Scarlets. She’s just completely heartbroken. Because now she’s truly lost everyone.
I love the whacky mad science antics of course. But that enduring sense of humanity was always a key feature that made them fascinating.
I feel like Belmont and Calia represent the two extremes, for which Voss acts like a middle ground.
I believe the larger philosophical question was should they keep extending themselves artificially by stitching on new parts and whatnot, as eventually there won’t be anything left of the original person. Perhaps more at the heart of it… do they have the right to raise people from the dead at all? Sort of a moot point atm, but with Maldraxxus still in play it could come up again.
I would love to see it become known the Forsaken offer undeath to the willing… a lot of people are scared of dying. Opt-in undeath instead of Opt-out, as it were.
The Forsaken only raised people in war time. And yes I absolutely think they’ve the right to play that card in a war of attrition.
Because either they lose that war or they do the one thing undead are most known for and make it unwinnable for the enemy.
And I’ve often wondered if a Forsaken has had a Ship Of Thesis esque existential crisis. Though this is a setting where souls are an observable reality so that’s probably not that deep of a question. Of course it’s still them, it’s still their soul, imperfectly attached to their simulacrum of life but attached none the less.
One of the things I love most about forsaken is how many ethical quandaries and debates being undead can bring up. If only Blizzard had the writing fortitude to explore them with any depth.
