Button Bloat from the Perspective of a Middling Player

I haven’t looked down on anyone. Enjoy being a hypocrite though :joy:

None of those were actual attacks though so you haven’t shown anything.

I have multiple times. You said outside of Brew Master the specs are fine. On top of that here are passive alternatives people can use.

You just ignore anything that corrects you.

I’m not the one attacking people because I can’t refute points though.

Either they were refuted or weren’t actual arguments.

You repeating the same thing 5 times isn’t you making an argument after it was already refuted :joy:

Enjoy the L

Thats literally the first thing you did in this thread.

Yes they were dont pretend they werent.

I mentioned other specs that have button bloat you chose to ignore it.

Kinda like you?

Uhhhhh im not repeating the same thing you just ignore arguments when it’s convenient.

You enjoy your L my friendly neighborhood troll

Incorrect.

I never insulted him for being 6/9 heroic. I only said it’s not above average.

I’m not pretending. I carefully choose my words for the sole purpose of not insulting anyone. If I’m insulting someone you will know it.

I’d have to be corrected to ignore being corrected.

Yet you have repeated the same thing over 5 times?

So you’re not only a hypocrite but you’re not able to articulate an argument either.

It’s funny you think you have proven anything. :joy:

I said looked down on not insult you goof.

Once again i said your attacking others dont put words in my mouth

You were though

This is clearly going nowhere your doing what you say im doing.

I could say the same thing about you lol

I got through about 10 of your posts before I decided that you don’t have the mental faculties to actually contribute meaningfully to this conversation.

Button bloat is not about the number of abilities.

Every standard piano has the same number of keys, yet some songs are hard and some are easy.

I hope you can see the metaphor there.

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Again I never looked down or insulted them. I just made a statement saying 6/9 heroic isn’t above average. Keep reaching though

Now you’re nitpicking words because you have been proven wrong again.

I still haven’t attacked anyone.

I wasn’t as the only point you made was corrected 4 times.

You’re the one who initiated the conversation.

The difference is I don’t care what you think.

Says the guy who says button bloat isn’t about buttons.

Then what’s it about? Because the people complaining about bloat tend to not be performing very well.

Yes because Bm hunter and BrewMaster monk have the same buttons

/facepalm

For someone not caring about what people think, you sure respond back to everyones post like you do.

I could say the same about you clearly your extremely deluded viewpoint leaves you to believe that you have done no wrong in this thread and nothing i say will change your mind just know that everyone knows your trolling and everyone knows you have attacked people in this thread numerous times.

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It’s not trolling when you can’t refute points. Enjoy the L

I would respond in this thread but I don’t want to take a Snozex pill.

I can sleep just fine on my own and my insurance won’t cover it anyways.

I have refuted your “points” numerous times” and you chose to ignore it enjoy the L

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You accused someone of something they didn’t say to fit your narrative.

That’s not a good faith argument. Someone even inb4’d you because it was so predictable. This isn’t going anywhere.

You haven’t refuted anything though so that L is definitely yours.

Even if you had the need to resort to personal attacks and hypocrisy makes you take the L anyways.

I definitely had your just too ignorant to realize you have the L enjoy it.

You’re ****

The irony

I’m curious you fill this to be the case for.

Agreed. I really think that hero talents are going to be Covenants 2.0. I think we’re just all going to be playing the one Hero Talent tree that performs the best, fantasy, class identity, or desire be damned.

If it just about numbers, what is the best will change between patches and heavily depend on tier set like the current talent tree.

If they have some crazy utility is going to be more interesting, especially for mythic raids.

You are right. About me forgetting about Flash of Light. Though to be fair it is not an ability I would consider part of my active rotation, at least not since the talent you mentioned was removed from the game, and replaced with one that further empowers Word of Glory.

With respect to it being able to be macro’d with Word or Glory, it is still another key bind. Modifiers don’t remove key binds. I touch on this further in response to your comment about the Storm/Verdict macro.

Flasks yes. Offensive combat potions, debatable. But healthstones and defensive combat potions (e.g. healing) are entirely reactive.

I use key bound mouseover macros. But even with an addon like Clique, these are still functionally equivalent to key binds, buttons, actions (whatever you want to call them). They are just using your mouse buttons instead of buttons on your key board. You still need to use mental bandwidth to understand the difference between Left Click, Shift Left Click, Right Click, and so forth. And to track their availability (unless you are just sitting their spamming clicking until they become available, which won’t fly in higher content).

That is two key binds. 4 and SHIFT-4. I have already mentioned I am using modifiers, and I really do not understand the argument that modifiers somehow make the key bind / button count go down.

The concept of button bloat has nothing to do with physical access to keys. There is a related conversation about accessibility where that becomes and issue, but the topic of button bloat is not about being able to reach keys easily. Button bloat is about the need to use mental bandwidth to track what a vast number of actions do, the availability of those actions, the interaction between those actions, and finally, how to physically access those actions.

Modifiers do nothing to solve that problem. And modifier macros do nothing but take up less screen real estate (and often that isn’t true because you still need to track availability and procs, so you likely have a weakaura somewhere on your screen anyway).

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And ever since they backtracked that decision made in wod/legion, the game has gone downhill from there. Bfa was the beginning of the end