It may well be the “extremely easiest” tier in your opinion. That’s not what I’m talking about, it’s the complexity of “rotations” is too high for me.
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The rotations aren’t complex and you have the ability to change from actives to passives
I think this is a really good point and it touches on the Devs current mindset of “increasing the skill ceiling” as they keep saying.
That is good for high-end players who want to continually push their dps further and further above the average. But there are a lot of middling player who sees the better players in their raid group get further and further away in terms of dps. That isn’t a good feeling seeing you are contributing less and less, comparatively. And I think the increase the skill ceiling philosophy is bad for the health of the game, overall.
And I know the common argument from higher end players that this is just motivation for lesser skilled players to learn and get better. Problem is, a lot over average players treat this like a game to enjoy their time away from real life, it’s not a second job to push your capabilities to the edge.
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Not in my opinion. I’ve researched (love SEL website) and practiced and still fail short in parses. Someone told me to use the Addon Hekili to guide with best “rotation”, it didn’t help. I use to use the WowAnalyzer website, in the past I found it very helpful. Unfortunately, they don’t support Elemental this expansion. I have tried a “passive” build, it also didn’t help. In my opinion, some specs could really use some help with reducing complexity.
After about 4-5 years of off and on fighting game lab training, I was able to become a fairly capable player. How does that relate to WoW you ask? Between WoW and fighting games, I still remember how bad I was in fighting games. I don’t remember the struggles in WoW.
A lot of our “good players” seem to forget their initial badness. They also seem to think 50% of our players are able to achieve the same goals they have. There’s probably evidence against that, but I don’t have it nor do I care to find it, so their statement is valid.
Personally, I have no doubt a vast majority of our players are some degree of clickers. The rotations in this game are borderline impossible if you click, so their maximum damage throughput is likely 80%. Factor in the criticality of balancing your cooldowns around procs, and their DPS drops to roughly 70%, maybe 60%.
That’s the maximum [subjective] skill cap for a clicker. Someone with a 1-2 second reaction time and the inability to fully optimize their rotation. If they use a mod to essentially “play the game” for them, then they could maybe squeeze out 80%-90%. Even then their reaction speed will make them a deficit in any harder content.
No. This game is not easy. You’re just too dang good at it. Too dang good at a lot of games probably. I have zero doubts there’s a significant amount of “awful” players in this game, and your drive to make it even harder is robbing them of an experience.
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You’re entitled to your opinion but I disagree with it.
That depends on other factors than rotation.
This late in the patch if you aren’t 485+ and having 2 minute ish kill times you aren’t going to parse.
Is your shamans name -Kleeny because the one you’re posting on doesn’t exist on wcl.
Hekilli is a decent tool to find your rotation if you get lost but nothing beats spending time ina target dummy.
Do a target dummy sim for 90 seconds. Then use a timer for 90 seconds and try to get as close as possible to your sim dps.
Keep doing it till you’re close to that sim dps. Then go from 90 seconds to 150 seconds and so on
The passive builds are there to make the rotations easier but they should do less damage than not using passives.
No, my shaman is Nayaga. Kleeny is a guild mate and has been helpful with my rotation and priorities. He always parses above me.
It doesnt matter what your talking in because this post was referring to the broader playerbase you clown.
Kind of like your worthless skill issue of only being able to do the easiest 3 bosses on mythic i find it funny that you go around insulting other peoples skill levels when your suprisingly mediocre at least get past mythic larodar before you put yourself on a pedestal lol.
And to clarify certain specs do have button bloat your just too blinded by your own misplaced ego to realize it.
Considering all you have done is insult people I have done alot more than you because once again you bring nothing of value to this thread you should leave before you embarass yourself further.
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I found you on an earlier report.
Warcraft Logs.
It shows all the data from a logged raid or mplus.
So when I search your name it shows character doesn’t exist and that you used to be in Wyrmrest accord but the character doesn’t exist. I was able to find you on a report and noticed a few reasons why you aren’t parsing well.
1: fight length.
Your heroic kill on gnarlroot took over 9 minutes.
Most parse kills are around 2 minutes which vastly affects your damage. My guild on November 16th killed heroic gnarlroot in 3 minutes 47 seconds compared to your guild killing it in 9 minutes 14 seconds.
2: group comp. You’re missing some core group buffs like mage arcane buff monk buff and some others.
The issues may not be your rotation
Not on Wyrmrest ever, but was on Destromath a long time ago.
Think what you want, try to shame me with logs, whatever.
What is easy for you, is not easy for everyone.
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And when talking about averages you can’t factor in people that don’t even do the content.
Should probably look at achievements. I killed nyume in December before taking a break and then swapping mains.
Had fryak to 32% on mythic.
Outside of brewmaster name one.
I haven’t insulted anyone. I said 6/9 heroic isn’t above average as a raider and that 2900 io isn’t super impressive if you’re actively pushing mplus.
So feel free to point out the insults.
Wasn’t even trying to shame you. Was pointing out that the issues to why you’re low parsing isn’t pure rotational issues.
You could execute your rotation perfectly but your dps is going to be low when it’s almost 5 times the length of the top parses.
Not having those core buffs also hurts right times.
Group size is also hurting your parses.
Wasn’t an insult. Just an explanation.
It doesnt matter you still entirely missed that point in ops post he was saying the broader playerbase and that includes EVERYONE.
Still pathetic that this late into the tier you couldnt even make it halfway through the raid your not the “hardcore raider” you think you are.
Arcane mage shadow priest enhance shaman to name a few.
Less so insulting more so belittling people in the thread by insulting progression/skill you know what i meant dont nitpick.
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I wasn’t commenting on that. I was commenting on the raid aspect where he said 6/9 heroic.
So no the people that don’t raid aren’t a factor.
What part 5/9 mythic in December and then taking a break from the game are you not comprehending?
5/9 is more than 50% of the tier.
I was 8/9 mythic in Abberus
Learn how to look at achievements. Might save yourself some embarrassment.
I never insulted him for only being 6/9 heroic. I only said being 6/9 isn’t above average.
Stop reading into things that weren’t there.
And once again it doesnt matter in the context of his argument it is relevant whether you like it or not.
5/9 is still not even reaching the brick walls like smolderon tindral or fyrakk regardless you never mentioned completing council so thats on you lol.
And abberus was the easiest raid tier in a long time the fact you couldnt full clear just shows your not as good as you think you are.
Why are you lying? Your one stupid comment away from a block I ought to just flag you for trolling and be done with it.
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I wasn’t commenting on his argument. I commented on one statement.
Can you read?
I didn’t start the tier on warlock. And you can’t prog on bosses you weren’t here for because of burnout. I filled in on tindral and Fyrakk when needed while gearing.
It’s pretty hilarious you ran out of arguments and resorted to trying to attack me and still failed horribly at it.
Because I’m not lying. None of those are insults. They are statements in response to OPs statements. If you think that saying someone that’s 6/9 is below average in the raiding community as an insult you’re extremely soft.
False flagging is against tos btw. Just because you disagree with my stance and will resort to blocking me because you took an L on a conversation you initiated doesn’t make me a troll.
Soooo you were a bench warmer lol
Dont pretend you actually progged on fights you werent there for you burned out and your guild cleared the remaining bosses not you lol.
What are you on about lol you ignore all of my actual arguments and tunnel vision on trying to protect your fragile ego instead of coming up with actual counter arguments you have been embarassing yourself this entire argument you clown.
Its not false flagging you are trolling other people and bring nothing to this thread so yes i can flag you also find it funny that you genuinely believe i “took an L” when you have been a clown this entire thread I already shot down all your arguments your replies have just been protecting your fragile ego because you think your better than you actually are if anyone took an L its you.
I was on main team up to nymue and was there for a good portion of Fyrakk prog.
So yes I progged on Fyrakk and was the top dps on the 32% pull.
Either way you keep moving goalposts because you can’t actually make an argument.
Also notice the only one attacking anyone here is you meaning you’re a hypocrite.
You haven’t made any actual arguments. You keep going on about the OPs intent ignoring I never commented on that.
My ego isn’t fragile hence why I don’t feel the need to attack people.
It is false flagging.
I have brought a difference of opinion to the topic and even tried to help the enhance shaman that was talking about their parses.
You have literally attacked me from your first post to me because you dislike what I have said.
It’s ok for you to believe what you want but you did.
Personal attacks because you can’t refute points is you taking an L btw.
You forgot about Flash of Light (talented to be instant). But it can be on a macro with WoG.
Those can just be clicked, you won’t need instant access to those most of the time. It’s a prediction move, not a reaction one, and flask is also a long duration buff, it does not need a keybind. No long duration buffs do.
All of these should be used with the Clique addon and a Party/Raid Frame click with a mod mouse button.
Anything that targets the group should be used with this addon.
I can’t even fathom healing without it (or a ton of mouseover macros).
That’s literally my button “4” on my ret:
/cast [mod:shift] Divine Storm; Templar's Veredict
I’m not though im just pointing out that you shouldnt act like a “hardcore raider” and look down on others when you cant even clear mythic post nerf.
I already showed you plenty of examples of you attacking others in this thread do you need even more? Once again you ignore my arguments because YOU cant formulate any counter arguments.
Thats the entire point you clown you never commented on the actual point of ops post and went straight to attacking his progression when i bring it up you ignore the argument as usual.
No its not you didnt bring any difference of opinion because your entire opinion was “lol skill issue noob” a difference in opinion would be actually explaining why button bloat isnt a problem for some specs.
Keep telling yourself that lil bro everyone knows your trolling.
I gave you arguments several times you simply chose to ignore them because you cant formulate any of your own clearly personal attacks are the only thing that you respond to.
I only ever mentioned being tempted to block you because i have better things to do than pander to your trolling all day