I kinda think that was the original plan, before they decided to villain-bat Garrosh and rebalance Varian’s chakras.
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Hm. Put like that, I wonder if Garrosh got the treatment he did precisely because they saw how negative the Alliance response was to Varian 1.0 and it scuttled original plans. That would add one more casualty to the Blue Horde experiment.
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More likely with Metzen’s exit from active participation more of a case with new Captain wanting to set a new course to make their own mark.
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Who would that have been at the time? Since we’re told everyone but Afrasiabi was on board with the Kill the Wabbit strat on Garrosh
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Measuring “who had it worse” has never once led anywhere productive on this forum, since July 2018.
You think that would stop it? Ha!
I haven’t heard that, but I’m pretty sure they mean Tolkien’s orcs, not Warcraft orcs.
I’d go so far as to say it was (also) the worst expansion for Horde players. Can’t think of anything else that comes close.
If there’s a way to punish the faction without punishing the players, nobody has been able to find it since July 2018, when this talk started.
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You really think that all of the dirty laundry is going to be aired out in public? It’s better to simply accept that not all things can be known and there are things that aren’t worth knowing.
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I was simply asking if you had further insight to go with that theory. It’s a plausible explanation, but I don’t know much about the staffing at that period of WoW’s history. Worth consideration regardless.
It’s just speculation that has been non-publically confirmed by employees according to T&E.
So yeah, just speculative heresay.
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Would you feel punished if you had a Horde character and an Alliance character having a dialogue between each other in DF? And the topic of the conversation is BFA, where they were, what they did and their thoughts on what happened.
We are at a point where the discussion isn’t even about “If the Horde blew up my city then I should be able to blow theirs!” anymore.
In DF there is a Dragonmaw character talking about what they did to the Reds. Do you feel punished by that? What is punishment?
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Haven’t there been plenty of those conversations already? Ardenweald even did a stage play on the subject.
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People have complained about Thrall’s statement of regret (which is apologetic, but isn’t quite an apology). They’ve complained about Saurfang’s observations.
So yes, probably. They don’t want to do villainous things and they don’t want to see their character symbols used as stand-ins for the audience apologize for the villainous actions they never wanted to do.
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I saw some stuff with the shadowlands finale with Lorthemar. Definitely a good start but other than that and that single character I have not seeing anything else.
I am still stuck in bastion, I can’t physically bring myself to play through it. Can you provide a link or name so I can look it up?
But those characters did those things so it stands to reason that they would address it.
Trust me in BFA and shadowlands I just wanted to rip the bandaid have Tyrande paint her face with Horde blood, retake their lands build some forts like Gondor did in Mordor to guard against the shadow and be done with it all.
Instead we kept and to this day still get strung along with more developments that lead nowhere, answers no questions and resolves nothing.
But hey Thalyssra and Lorthemar are getting married! 
A spiteful side of me would like to imagine Tyrande crashes the wedding and eats their cake.
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As of Exploring Kalimdor, the Horde is still attacking the Night Elves in Ashenvale.
I feel like there is no use having characters rehash the story over and over again but the devs need to apologize to the players, they can use whatever story vehicle they need to deliver that but I think that’s what players are missing.
The only apology Sylvanas loyalists got for what they were put through was Sylvanas bascially telling us we made the wrong choice but she appreciated our loyalty. but that’s far more than what the Alliance and Horde loyalists got.
I get it, there should be an apology for their little social experiment where they made us all choose sides, one side was supposed to be the right side one was supposed to be the wrong side, but they all felt like the wrong side.
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https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Fourth_Wall,_er,_War
The Ardenweald play had nothing to do with characters apologizing for bfA. I have no idea why she brought that up.
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you are willfullying misunderstanding her.
She never said there was an apology. the Ardenweald play scapegoated Sylvanas and Nathanos as the sole purpertrators of the Burning of Teldrassil, having the Horde play innocent bystanders or worse re-enactors and not willing participants.
The whole thread is about Horde accountability and the narrative gave the Horde none, even helping Tyrande in Shadowlands should not have been so easy from a Horde perspective and that’s what both Smallioz and Drahalina are talking about, they are not disagreeing, they both have very valid points.
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Must resist taking the karen bait.
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Yeah that sounds more like comedic gag than actual resolution for the debacle. Thanks for the clarification.
She didn’t really say anything offensive honestly Doness. Isn’t better to judge every post by the contents of it rather who it is or what drama they were a part of? Anyway, I recall she was the one that messaged me to contact blizzard for a wellness check on you. Just saying she isn’t all that evil.
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It was simply another post accusing me of attacking Drahliana out of a pro-Night Elf agenda.
I recall her making a post accusing me of emotional manipulation for that, but it seems to have been deleted.
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Understandable.