You like to make a lot of things your problem and that’s your problem.
Told you to keep my name out of your mouth. Not interested in what you got to say
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You asked why I cared. I told I just do. I think I am entitled to that.
You asked why I don’t play retail. I said because it triggers me.
You refused to take these as answers as they were and have turned them into this bizarre statement that I am mad. Or mad at you. Or mad at your question. Or I turned you into a punching bag and etc and etc.
I am commenting on how you respond to me and you take even the smallest hints of feedback as a gross violation.
I am speaking in good faith and would appreciate it that my words are interpreted as they are written and framed rather than how would want to frame them as. It is very frustrating.
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Again with the reading into things that aren’t there.
It’s just absolutely bizarre to be posting about a game that triggers you. It’s just hard to take you serious when you’ve repeatedly wished for the game to fail. How is anyone supposed to take you serious when you say dumb stuff like that?
And than you get mad when I ask you even care to begin with
How many times must I say that I dont play retail because it triggers me until you accept that is what I am saying?
I am not at all commenting on how forum posts trigger me.
I don’t accept it because your posting on the lore forum…for a game…you don’t even play…
It’s apparently not that triggering if you’re here talking about it
I have clearly said I play classic. Not retail.
Sorry that was derailed briefly. Anyway…where were we? I forget 
The lore forums are not exclusive to retail. The classic forums are mostly for gameplay.
I though perhaps with you taking some distance from Ren that you would have a more constructive attitude but I guess I was wrong.
maybe I wasn’t the problem at all…just maybe.
I trusted the wrong people, and thought the wrong people were my friends 
I felt suffocated by their toxicity and when I tried to offer constructive criticism… well you see how he reacts to constructive criticism, you experienced it personally in this thread.
I’ve been sitting here trying to be the “better person” for almost a month because I knew how easily it would be for them to blame me.
I think one thing that goes underappreciated is that WoW is supposed to be a fun game and that it has been built on the idea of people identifying with their factions, right or wrong. What would make a decent story when you’re reading it in a book will not when you are simultaneously a participant, but one without real agency – when you aren’t a passive viewer, but a passenger in a roller coaster ride.
Making people take moral agency for things they never wanted to do but a company decided for them is the way that any Horde reckoning with past events would be felt. Which is why trying to tackle this sort of serious moral story was always a bad idea, and also why “make the Alliance do something cool but bad” will always be a non-starter.
If ‘cool’ was your overriding concern, you probably went to the Horde in the first place. Aside from Worgen and Exists-In-WC3-Only Night Elves, the Alliance’s only appeal to the average player is “I’m a good guy”. You want to imperil the Alliance population further, that’s how you do it.
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I don’t want to make this drama central again but I just felt the need to express with Micah.
But Ren you definitely were to blame for very fair share of the problems. Anyway I expected more from Micah then from you but the world is upside down and my lunch is here. So peace out both of you. I will check back tonight and see which station the misery train has stopped on.
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I’ve always been partial to Draenei, I don’t know what the Alliance would be without them and they have stayed pretty out of any conflict despite having the power to pretty much blast anyone with their space lazer spaceship.
Draenei have been seriously neglected.
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Still stuck at 'The Burning of Teldrassil was a colossally stupid idea that cannot have any satisfactory conclusion."
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I have more faith in you than you have in me it seems. Enjoy your lunch.
How do we conclude it besides doing what DF is going and just moving on?
I think even blizz realized there’s no way to conclude it in a matter that’s not gonna aggravate the majority of the playerbase
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Just wanna say, you were right about putting them on ignore. Wonder why it ran out. Must’ve been due to the race change 
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There isn’t a way.
I totally get where Smallioz is coming from; I was Horde, but I was repeatedly upset by where they moved the Horde over the years, so I went over to the blander side where my conscience wouldn’t nip at my heels so much while I was trying to play a time-kill game. In my book there is a lot that has been ruined in WoW in the name of the Horde, and I want it all undone.
But it’s not gonna happen and I think it’s for the best it doesn’t happen, because most people will just forget with enough time. They just need to make good things that happen regardless of what was prior.
Many of the ethical complaints with the Horde can be brought back to WC2, but WC3 made something so good that we were willing to ignore it once and just roll with the new direction. That’s the best case scenario, imo, though I acknowledge a full repeat is impossible.
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Well, that’s why I’m honestly hoping blizz can capture lighting in the bottle one more time with Dragonflight and we can forget all about BfA and SL and the baggage those two expacs bought with them
But you know, I’m hopeful like that.
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Nothing actually. There are things that are simply so broken that they can’t be fixed and the only logical thing is to simply set them aside. Just like they did with Medan. Teldrassil and Lordaeron both got addressed in quests that promise future renewals for the Forsaken and the Night Elves, though neither are likely to make the folks who were unhappy with BFA fully satisfied.
With Shadowlands and especially with Dragonflight the intent seems to be clearly that we move on with things as they’ve been left. We’re probably not going to see resources dedicated to those renewals unless they’re linked to quest arcs and of course that depends on the budget to develop those quest arcs in areas no longer part of the main story.
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