I am so very disheartened to see the Primalists of Dragonflight having Night Elf members that are a direct reference to Teldrassil survivors. Hasn’t this knife been twisted enough? The whole of the War of Thorns is in my opinion, narrative poison. As in it actively taints the narratives of other threads it comes into contact with.
There is no gold at the bottom of this deep, dark pit. The material is to be frank, radioactive. The Horde’s shame, the Alliance’s weakness, and Night Elf Misery. More than that, it is most likely the last gasp of a now infamous former CDev director that actively harassed Blizzard employees in real life.
By all means, give Night Elves a resolution to this. They desperately need one. But don’t try to salvage parts from the flaming wreckage of WoW’s worst story direction. There is nothing of value or good here, just bad memories.
Like between a global pandemic, the geopolitical theater increasingly resembling a dive bar at last call, the global economy being more a haunted house than a roller coaster as a result and the ever worsening climate catastrophes accompanying all of the aforementioned I dont know to pity or envy you if you’re still that bent outve shape over a pretend problem from over four years ago.
Throw up a new big tree, dig a new spooky sewer, and then let’s move tf on.
I was so excited to hear Ion say:
“We want to start fresh storywise”
and
“Aye yo time skip fam”
Thinking that we would be moving away from the worst part in WoW history, BfA, literally the dark ages of storytelling.
But here we are, more misery because that’s fun.
I will try to hope that the references to Teldrassil were inserted so that they can build up to something big with this new seed that is going to be planted.
But I won’t hope too strongly because I am tired of being disappointed.
I can appreciate their trying to pull some semblance out’ve Teldrassil but I think at this point it’s crystal clear it was a pointless marketing stunt that had no baring whatsoever on the overall story to come, nor the tone of the expansion it preceeded, nor even really the plot line of Ardenweald that was supposed to address it.
It was a really dumb idea. Lets wave a magic wand, fix up the two zones Blizz incinerated for a cool and completely misleading trailer, then move on.
Ten thousand 0s still adds up to 0. You cant try to add on to what was already a hollow and pointless marketing campaign.
This is the second thread I’ve seen of people complaining that Night Elves are part of an enemy faction. I mean, I don’t really know what to tell you here. Night Elves don’t share a hive mind, and some can be bitter at both the Horde for what they did (obviously) and the Alliance for their abandonment of them during the Battle for Darkshore and the way they ended the conflict and ‘made peace’ with the enemy (even though no official peace treaty has been signed).
Those Elves that were bitter at what happened and how it resolved may just be willing to join a faction like the Primalists. It shouldn’t be that surprising really.
There are also Dark Irons and by the look of it Grimtotem Tauren in that faction. The Dark Irons, I suspect, are the remains of the ones who were loyal to the Twilight’s Hammer and Ragnaros over Moira Thaurissian and the Grimtotem are obviously the survivors of that Tribe who have consistently been slaughtered by both factions.
We’re not talking about problems in our reality though, we’re talking about WoW’s laughably bad story on their story forums. If we wanted to talk about any of that real world stuff, well, I dunno where we’d talk about it at because both twitter and facebook are anathema to conversation and literally every other method of discussing things with people has been gobbled up. And talking to people in real life? Don’t get me started.
I think his main point is that we should appreciate Dragonflight as a carefree island adventure that allows us to escape our own fear-ridden reality, instead of bringing up the War of Thorns over and over and over again.
Kidding. I am not sure what you are talking about, I admit I am not heavy into the development of Dragonflight. Who even is the true culprit?
Sylvanas was on the ground. But she seemed to think that Teldrassil would burn one day, even if she did not do it. Almost as if someone burning Teldrassil was in the cards, so she might as well be that some one. Which could be viewed as a set up…
From the context, I am thinking one of these Primalist Night Elves calls Elune the true culprit? Is that why people are upset?
Well put.
When people see a complaint, or disagreement, or discussion, they leap at the chance to say : “why ya gettin bent outta shape?”
I find that attitude curious. Like, this is literally the forum to discuss the story and lore. If you can not nerd out about it here, where can you?
It’s not a binary decision where you can only blame one group. It’s not like they’re going: “It’s all Elune’s fault!” while not pointing fingers at the Horde at all, they’re clearly out to destroy both the Alliance and the Horde, and have lost faith in Elune so…
And honestly? The lost faith in Elune is entirely understandable. If you’re a Night Elf you’ve lived for hundreds, if not thousands of years listening to sermons about how Elune will protect your species, how the light of Elune watches over you all, you’ve seen Elune’s blessing in the form of the spirits of your kin becoming wisps and walked among those who are considered to be Elune’s children or favoured ones, such as Malorne, Cenarius and Ysera.
And then in one moment, the one moment where you really needed Elune’s help, she wasn’t there. Not only did she not protect her chosen faithful, but none of the wild gods showed up to help, not even Malorne and none of the dead returned as wisps. Not one. If you’re a Night Elf dealing with that it is entirely justifiable to blame Elune for abandoning your species because as far as you can see, she did.
Its astouding how wrong you are but how convinced you are of your misconception.
The Night Elves have faced extinction several times now. The biggest one being obviously War of the Ancients.
There was no expectation that Elune would magically come down and solve everything.
She has always been a soft touch diety. Like granting healing powers to someone. Protecting someone from harm, a momentary act of mercy like NEs not suffering as they burned but painlessly.
Elune has let thousands of Night Elves burn, their empire shattered, the world ripped appart and their population reduced to a handful.
And guess what? They still loved her.
In WC3 they weren’t waiting for Elune to show and stop the scourge or demons either.
She didn’t show up for any war since and never should have. This is part of Night Elf lore and how they have been written.
This whole Elune being the actual culprit of WoT is a new thing to distract responsibility of the Horde.
Blizzard can’t have the Alliance seeking vengeance from the actual culprits so they have to find new things like Elune, the weather, brown dwarf stars, the American Deep state, climate change and the jet stream.
Carhagen isn’t wrong at all. What you’re doing is weird framing that might as well be propaganda by the Priestesses of the Moon to somehow still justify their status in Night Elf society, even if their patron deity is totally useless. The Night Elf social pyramid is built on lies.
The reason that Carhagen is wrong as I explained is that Night Elves have been through what the Horde did before. Much worse actually… but Elune was never the problem.
There is no basis for this behavior in the story, there are no elements in the story that would shift this unto Elune.
Using the new storyline’s criteria, Elune has “Abandoned” the Night Elves a hundred times during and since the war of the ancients but she was never blamed. They don’t even frame this as the last straw that breaks their faith’s back.
Its just “Wow how could Elune allow this one place to be destroyed?!” Like do the writers have any idea about the NE lore? They have been through much worse.
Do you REALLY want to make a “Elune abandoned us” story? Ok!
First make the Night Elf priests lose their powers during WoT.
The Night Elves ask for the Wild God’s help and they say the can’t because Elune told them not to or at least they could not get her blessing.
Make the druids weaker because they lost their connection to her and the emerald dream
and etc and etc.
This is how you shift the blame from the Horde to Elune because then she would have really abandoned them.
The War of the Thorns has shown that Elune has either abandoned the Night Elves, or she hasn’t and is just a weak, incompetent deity that couldn’t protect the Night Elves even if she tried. Both are valid reasons to abandon her in turn. In your pitiful attempt to shield Elune from criticism, you managed to make Night Elves look even more pathetic than they already were. Maybe Night Elves should convert to Naaru worship instead.