Since I won’t put up with your tactics, I would appreciate if you would spare me your empty snide posts.
I mean, you didn’t make any point at all, just snide attempts at mockery.
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You can always make me laugh. ty for that.
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I am not saying for whom it was enjoyable or not. The people the best off are the Sylvanas fans, even if we believe Alex Afrisiabi was completely at fault from BFA and Danuser had to move heaven and earth to fix the Sylvanas story since BFA up to shadowlands. All characters and lore had to bend backwards and forwards to fit her redemption arc.
So its not that kind of discussion of who got it worse or best and if players suffered enough.
I simply don’t care. What I am exclusively talking about is what can be done on a narrative level to address the many issues that BFA and shadowlands have caused.
What is needed.
Not what will likely happen. Not might happen. Not will never happen and so on.
What is needed and what actually happens are two completely different things entirely.
If there is something wrong with my idea of what needs to happen then I would like to hear it. If there is a narrative problem with it. Does it go far enough? Does it not go far enough? Does address a problem or there was never a problem at all.
Teldrassil IS a narrative poison and it stems from how Blizzard handles faction wars and their aftermath. I think we all agree with this point yes?
So what is the solution in diluting or even killing this poison?
My idea? Or some other idea? I would love to discuss these ideas. Thats fun for me and thats kind of why I am talking about this. Its a fun past time as something currently processing at my work is being processed 
Its more fun than staring at a clock or a wall… and not so distracting that I get too distracted for long 
I am just pointing out you lied. Nothing more.
Don’t care what you really have to say besides that, I don’t like liars much.
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Sylvanas was judged by Tryande herself.
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I just feel punishing Sylvanas and the horde even more than what’s already been done, is just going to keep horde players bitter for the near future.
I love what DF is doing and that it’s MOVING AWAY from it all and going in a new direction. That’s what this game needs.
Not this senseless notion of bringing up the past because some alliance players aren’t satisfied with how things played out.
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The breadth of your hypocrisy can be breathtaking.
Live and let live would have been the decent thing to do.
You are right. from a Sylvanas fan persepctive and an outsider persepctive Shadowlands felt like a win.
But that win was short lived, because now she’s shelved again for God knows how long. Her lover is dead, possibly gone forever, and the character we knew and loved was dismantled and put back together as Golden’s vision of the character… so while yes… on the outside it looks like Sylvanas fans won. We did overcome the sexist undertones of BfA to scrape by a last minute with head scratching “win” against the Jailer. Which left a lot of people trying to rationalize Sylvanas’s too late in the game heel turn, which makes no sense, nor does the retcon they tried to mend the divide between evil and benevolent Sylvanas.
We didn’t really “win” anything. we just got to keep a broken and whitewashed version of Sylvanas no one really knows.
Dreadmoore said “she belongs to me now!” about new Sylvanas, if Dreadmoore thinks that then we Sylvanas fans didn’t “win” trust me. lol.
The Horde hasn’t been punished. Sylvanas volunteered for her redemption which you may or may not argue is a punishment.
The horde player just like the Alliance player had to go through a bad story and expansion.
I disagree that the Horde/Alliance player sitting through “Stay a while and listen” as NPCs talk about what happened in BFA, their regrets, sorrow or happiness is a punishment.
It simply what is needed as opposed to all characters forgets what happened and blizzard hopes players do the same. Which is impossible because those events are in the game and can be revisted as any time so you can’t forget even if you wanted to.
Your pants is smoldering.
She was sentenced by Tyrande. if it was up to Tyrande she would have decapitated Sylvanas right there. But because it was in front of everyone and Sylvanas just said “sorry” it would have made Tyrande look like the bad guy.
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That’s a hard disagree. DF is going the right route and moving on
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You don’t solve problems by ignoring them. Thats part toxic masculinity mentality, you solve problems by addressing them and talking about them.
Teldrassil will always remain the black stain on the Horde until they actually address it and I don’t see why addressing is a bad thing. In Dragon Flight we have a dragonmaw orc talking about what he did. That is a step in the right direction… i personally had issue with it because he got honored by the Red Dragon Flight, i though that was excessive.
But regardless if they can have that in DF for the Dragonmaw there is no reason this cannot be applied to the rest of the Horde and their actions.
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I repeat. Hard no. DF is going the right route
And why do you even care. You don’t even play retail and wished it to fail multiple times
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I care because I care. And I don’t play it because of how it triggers me. I think I am entitled to my own feelings Micah.
For someone who keeps posting cute stuff on the story forums wishing everyone a good day it would be nice that you incorporated that in your behavior than symbolic gestures with little depth.
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I agree with you here big time. The Horde does need to take accountability for being a safe space for toxic masculnity. I just don’t think that discussion will happen with Golden at the helm of cinematic writing.
One of my biggest gripes about BFA and the Horde is how quickly the Horde finds scapegoats in it’s toxic warchief’s and doesn’t actually take accountablility for participation. No one forced orcs to drink demon blood. Saurfang was happy to slaughter human children. He felt bad but he did the same thing at Teldrasil. He realized too late that he felt shame.
You find more stories about confronting toxic masculinity in the Alliance narrative. I am worried that the departure of Brooks and the promotion of Golden, and how this might have a negative impact on the writing moving forward. Brooks seemed to be more interested in telling stories about dismantling toxic masculinity. Golden feeds into those narratives, and has shown very sexist writing in her books.
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I asked why you care about a game that you don’t even play and you refuse to answer.
Not my problem that question is triggering you. That’s entirely on you
Literally could not be more clear.
And yet, here you are. Giving ideas for a game you actively hate and wished multiple times to fail. But somehow that’s my problem.
I really can’t with some of you.
Normally I consider ignoring an important story event and going forward pretending that it occurred as little as possible a lazy and cowardly way out, but in the case of a story event so idiotic and narratively toxic that it never should have been allowed to happen in the first place I sadly have to agree that it’s probably for the best. I genuinely believe it’s literally beyond the capacity of the current creators to weave a silk purse out of this sow’s ear, and that it would be better for them to not even bother to try.
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Yes because from failure there is a chance at improvement.
Its a public forum where we discuss things. And you are reverting back to your old combative attitude Micah. If you want to discuss the lore that is fine by me. If you want to make this into some sort of confrontation.
I don’t think anyone is expecting a silk purse out of this. Blizzard has a habit of addressing community concerns via the NPCs making comments.
Like mocking the idea of a worgen tail.
Instead of spending their time doing that they could concentrate their energies doing this instead. In BFA we had a god of war reference and the guy just refused to elaborate any further.
Perhaps some characters need to elaborate.
They are already doing with the Dragonmaw. Where literally R worded Alextrasza, killed her mate, smashed her eggs and enslaved the rest until they reached puberty.
I mean if they can address THAT. they can address this.
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I asked a question and you’re the one who got mad over it and made it out to be something it’s not.
Im going to tell you what I told ren. I’m not your punching bag to place your problems on
Get over yourself and your obession with making me out to be something I’m not
