Burning of Teldrassil is Narrative Poison

I loved those on my Rogue back in the day. Vanishing at the end of a losing fight and hoping to Goblin God those suckers will zap the healer back up was always some fun tension.

Because if they didn’t the group could disintegrate then and there in larger dungeons. Particularly in like BRD when you were an hour in already.

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Here are the relevant quotes…
Thrall: Thank you.
Thrall: Baine would’ve died
Thrall: without your aid.
Jaina Proudmoore: I couldn’t let that happen.
Thrall: Nor could I.
Thrall: I refuse to fail him
Thrall: like I… failed his father.
Thrall: I wish I could change it all.
Thrall: Cairne…
Thrall: Garrosh…
Thrall: Theramore…
Thrall: Sometimes
Thrall: it feels like I did
Thrall: everything wrong.

Several in-lore resurrections off the top of my head:

  • Terenas in the Lich King fight
  • Eonar in the Argus fight
  • The spirit healer in Azshara who raises both the player and Azuregos
  • Anduin to Varian in that one short story from I think Cataclysm
  • Whitemane to several Scarlet Crusaders, to the point that Lilian Voss has a quest to specifically target her to make her stop doing it
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And not a single apology for Teldrassil in sight people.
Not a single one.

The last part always kills me.

Akama to us

When was that?

The Sylvanas novel did give her some indirect culpability. She instructed Putress to seize whatever opportunity might present itself to destroy Arthas, and she privately admitted that all the dead Horde and Alliance would’ve been acceptable sacrifices had he perished at the Wrathgate too. But she never gave the specific order and chalked his coup down to brainrot.

Of course, given the latter half of Sylvanas is a clumsy reframing of her entire post-Wrath history to try and make the JailerxSylvanas retcon work, you’re right. The character’s actions in BfA are not consistent with what came before.

Thrall didn’t man one of the magic catapults, nor did he support Sylvanas’s war in any capacity, nor was he even on the planet when she waged it. Thrall has even less reason to apologize for Teldrassil than the other Horde leaders you’ve bawled about, but he was a nice enough guy to do so anyway in Shadows Rising.

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I was thinking maybe she meant “he and his Horde,” meaning the Horde that Thrall led had no involvement with Teldrassil. They were involved in earlier aggression in Ashenvale, though.

Thank you.

The question wasn’t if he ought to have but whether he did apologize for it in BFA.

He did not.

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And why does THRALL need to apologize at all? He wasn’t even on azeroth when the Fourth War took place :rofl:

He came to Azeroth towards the end, to stand with the rebellion

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I never said he should.
I said this:

TDLR if the Horde cannot be destroyed, get genocided, revenged on or even the character the most responsible getting killed off… instead they get a semi-innocent and semi-redemption then the best one can hope for is the Horde. Finally… FINALLY actually address all the horrible things they have done and reconcile with the Alliance. Then we can further break down faction barriers and cool off.

But we can’t because the Horde are willing baby killers and they don’t seem to care. :person_shrugging:

That’s when a wild Elathaah appeared and said Thrall already apologized for Teldrassil in BFA which is obviously very untrue.

Drahliana then came with the old Horde is Third Reich comparison but with the “they did nothing wrong” argument… go figure.

And now you are here asking why I am asking for Thrall to apologize for Teldrassil. Go back to the first line of the first post if you got confused along this little arc of a story.

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Bold to assume confusion where none exists :rofl:

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Did they not do that in the end of BFA?

They did, Saurfang admitted to Anduin that the Horde was built on lies, and has a long bloody legacy, but if he was surplanted as Warchief he would make things right with the Alliance.

It was terrible.

If you were not confused why would you ask me something you know I didn’t say?

Still not an apology, still no word for rank and file of the horde and those that stuck by Sylvanas until she left them.

Look.
Blizzard had the Horde do a genocide and become the villains of an expansion.
Any other entity we would have killed every leader in a raid or two and they would cease to be as an entity.

But since the Horde is a player faction we can’t do any of that. So we got to basically re-mend the fence. And this fence has been in pretty bad shape since Cataclysm and it has gotten worse.

We need new characters, we need more down to earth stories and need less faction war. We need Horde and Alliance characters together interacting and they need to air out their dirty laundry.

Or double down on the negative. Whatever it is, it needs to be fully addressed. If You want the Horde to be evil then go alllllllll the way.
If you don’t then you need to put in the work to fix the issues.

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Because your worded it in a such a way that I thought you were implying he should have. :dracthyr_shrug:

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So I guess there was confusion on your part. :sweat_smile:
Did I say somewhere Thrall needs to apologize for Teldrassil? I mean letting Jaina down? Definitely. Teldrassil? I don’t think I said such a thing.

Don’t mix confusion with honesty. I told you TWICE now, bold to assume confusion where there is none

You know there is nothing wrong with admitting you made a mistake you know? I asked you to point towards what would have made you misinterpret what I said.

Since you haven’t I can only assume there was nothing. You made a mistake, thats ok. No harm done.

We just had a war over that question. A war that ground down both factions to the bone and wound up involving two countries that werent’ even part of either faction at the time.

Both factions have decided that the issue is DONE.

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Lol at the end of BFA all the alliance leaders walk out the room as Andiun holds the armistice.
Genn says there is no scrap of parchment that would stop the next Horde attack.
Meanwhile Tyrande wanted some banshee blood ink.

No… I don’t think the factions have come close to even start reconciling their differences and remend fences. You earlier compared the Horde to the Third Reich. Well to continue that analogy, the Third Reich is still there, many of the people involved are still there. So logically they will need to do a lot of explaining, soul-searching and even more explaining accompanied with gestures to right the wrongs for many things.

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