None of these specs are in the dumps. They are all fine, all compete reasonably well on the meters, and none are guaranteed to be at or near the bottom of the meters every fight in their respective raid groups.
Warrior is particularly in the dumps as Paladins and Druids have incredible representation because of their other S tier specs
All us warriors have is a C tier dps and our overall representation reflects that (only hunters are less represented)
Fury is literally the 8th most brought spec.
I said warriors. Iâm talking about class balance
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I agree prot needs some love.
Fury is fine.
Fury has more representation then Unholy DK, and they are the top melee DPS
But demanding buffs to your strongest spec using class representation is just a bad argument.
Itâs a good argument to buff prot, or to nerf Prot paladins, itâs not a good argument to buff Fury.
It isnât removed from logs but your all star points for the fight should just show 0
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Prot is actually fine. Paladins are simply more desired and that isnât changing
So then Fury is where the changes need to be made.
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Except they arenât nerfing paladins, so our âstrongestâ(lol) spec should allow for better representation by being good enough to stack
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Paladins also play an additional role than warriors so you canât just exactly compare the class representation of both against each other without removing Hpally representation from the picture youâre trying to paint.
Fury is just as desirable to have as ret.
Pwar is less desirable to bring than Ppally but that isnât the case for every raid as seen with sppedrunning guilds.
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Fury doesnât need to be changed
They are scaling fine and move into mid tier DPS in ICC.
Just say you want them to be S tier.
Iâd atleast respect that.
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âletâs just ignore the thing that makes my argument less compellingâ
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They only scale out of the bottom with smourne
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Letâs just compare a tri-hybrid class to a bi-hybrid class without actually factoring that in yeah ok. You paint the picture you want just make sure you donât forget to put your clown make-up on first 
Titan grip penalty never should have been in the game to start with. Actually it wasnât. it was nerfed over time to where it is.
Blizz even admitted that they nerfed TG to the extent that the talent was nothing more that a graphic change. They would have gotten just as much damage with 2 1h weapons if they never had added that talent into the game. TG is the dumbest talent blizz has ever made.
Yeah that just strictly isnât true or they would be dual wielding 1hers right now
Average blue parsing warrior says what?
Weird looking at the OPs logs from this week and theyre firmly in the middle of almost every fight except the ones they parsed poorly on.
Almost like someone is over exaggerating thingsâŚ
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There are pures with better representation than warriors dude. We arenât asking to be at the same level as Paladins, just level with the pack
yes that is absolutely true. The words came from Ghostcrawler himself.
It doesnât take more that a few seconds to think about it either. Do you seriously think that if they added a talent to mages next phase that allowed them to use 2 staffs that they would suddenly be ok with mages having a HUGE increase in damage over everyone? Hell no. They want to keep each dps class close on overall damage. So they would nerf it until they were right back down to where they should be. Which is exactly what they did to warriors TG in original wrath.
And i donât give a crap if you believe it. I am stating a fact and i am not looking for you or anyone else to verify it. keep living a fantasy if you want.
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