It beats warriors dps for 70% of the population, but regardless, warrior doesnt bring even half of what a ret does and feral are just a mega better warrior now.
More importantly paladin representation is 16-17% vs warriors at 4% last i checked. All warriors are playing fury as it is all that works, yet ret (as their 3rd) spec isnt far off of fury.
There is a limit to how many paladins the game has, not everyone is gonna reroll for wotlk and seeing as there is already 12%+ of the population playing paladins as holy and prot, there isnt a lot of main paladins left, who isnt playing paladin anymore.
it is not even close to âjust rerollâ, as your whole original character is still the same and nothing changes but the spec you play. It would be akin to being able to swap your class at a whim, which wouldnt make âjust rerollâ a problem either.
You forgot that classic had more warriors than any other class originally and tbc end also saw a ton of warriors, competing with specs like ret that had few players in comparison over the expansions is just a terrible bad faith argument they trying to spin.
Over all bosses for all percentiles? Fury is higher.
All percentiles on single target fights like Ignis? Fury is higher.
Cleave fights like kologarn? Ret is higher on lower percentiles, fury is much higher at the top end.
Ret doesnât deal more DPS than Fury since we started replacing Naxx gear.
The class representation isnât a useful metric. Compare the roles when talking about a role. When asking for Fury buffs, all that matters is how fury is doing (which is fine), not the rest of the warrior class. When talking about rets, it doesnât matter that holy/prot are overused.
People rerolled to a CRAZY degree for each expansion of classic to follow the meta⌠You might not have rerolled, but many, many did.
Which, given that you are talking doing an entirely different job in the raid, thatâs basically a reroll.
Itâs not like paladin had a good other DPS spec to choose so that they could still do their damage role but with a different rotation. If a paladin wanted to do viable DPS, their option was to reroll. Every other class (including warrior) could respec.
How come none of the warriors simply googled âhow good are warriors in Wrathâ 20 year old content after all. You canât be that dumb, right? Not to even look your prospects as a class.
If you need to be S-tier all the time, then you picked the wrong class.
I feel absolutely zero sympathy to Fury spec right now.
Imagine being FOTM S/A-tier for nearly 4 years, then 2 patches not S-tier, and then going back to A/S tier and even next expansions being A-tier.
What a horrible horrible life.
P.S. Munching got fixed on PTR. Thatâs a good thing.
WTF are you on about, ofc it is usefull, there will never be 1 million rets, when there is 1 million holy and prots already. So ofc ret having equally as many rets as fury is insane when the also have those 2million holy and prots as wellâŚ
Did you forget what meta tank was in the last expansion, at least most of it until the very end ? either way it doesnt matter that people reroll cause people dont reroll healers and tanks, that is very apparent since we have had a lack of both at different times. A ton of palas had tons of good specs now so they are playing them, the rest of the ret copium players wanted to also be doing good dps but it makes no sense.
No every other class like warrior had not options to respec to any spec since all of them are bad. That is the difference, paladins are filling every raid, just cause you cant dps doesnt mean you should be entitled too if you already populate nearly all healer and tank positions.
Idc and neither does the community about paladins not having high dps on their 1 dps spec, they didnt remove all their utility to make them equal to the other dps they somehow now had equal dps too like Warrior.
The number of rets are fairly independent of the number of holy or prot paladins. People largely stick to a single spec in 25m raiding. People usually pick a class with a single spec in mind.
The fact that both prot and holy are widely used is why paladin representation is high. Itâs not why ret is low.
In vanilla classic, warrior representation was super high because prot and fury was both widely used.
Once you got out of 5 mans? DruidâŚ
Paladins were largely used as trash tanks.
Nah, every class had a DPS option within the rest of the pack in potential, except rets.
Ret was uniquely behind as a classâ only DPS spec. The only warrior spec that is bad is arms.
They didnât have to. The utility doesnât make people avoid fury warriors, or any other spec. Ret also doesnât have equal DPS as warrior, and warriorâs max potential DPS is way higher than ret.
Either people reroll a lot or they stay true to a spec and class you cant have it both ways.
It is directly a link to it yes, where would all those prot and holy players be otherwise, cause not all of them would reroll.
Paladins and druid and druids were only used for single target threat early on. So guess you never got too much further than 5 mans and karazhan.
how was warrior any closer to the rest of the pack while being solidly at the bottom, you stupid ?
Prot too is terrible, fury is the bottom dps spec and the only reason ret is behind is cause no undead or demons, which you get back in TOGC. So you were fine.
Arms is litterally 2k behind what old ret was, so where is PVE arms dps buff ?
âWay higherâ, buddy you are beyond stupid, how come such a bad dps spec was still brought equally to fury with that horrible dps then ?
They absolutely had to do something about it cause a ret is still worth more than a fury that is undisputed unless you have already 5 other paladins.
Only spec below them that doesnt have a better alternative are shamans, rest of the classes have a better option being more brought than warriors, so who is lying now ?
and both those shamans specs are brought nearly equally to that 1 warrior spec that has all the warriors on it.
I mean you farm posts so ofc lying is the main thing you do.
should we base all nerfs and buffs with how prevelant a dps class is? Should we nerf mages becasue they are in every raid comp and the number 1 most desired spec?
Why do you care? You said it yourself that youâre petty about warriors. Just let it go if it is for PVE. This is a video game, not real life. Nobody is judging your life performance off of your position on the dps meter, you arenât being threatened IRL by warriors getting a buff. I promise, it will be okay
No but misrepresenting it to further a narrative that isnt true is lying. Warrior is the least brought class competing with hunter from week to week and it is the second least brought âbestâ dps spec, only outdone by shamans having two equally brought dps specs to fury.
Warriors are brought that does not mean everyone is bringing em. We have the evidence that they are the least brought.
Again stats dont lie, being the least brought class with quite a margin up to several other hybrid specs and melees it is evident you are wrong.
By saying something it doesnt say, saying there are specs below fury doesnt mean fury is okay, nearly every spec below it has a better spec above fury and or is a âPvPâ spec, arms is even further down so is glad, should i make arguments that cause glad takes the absolute bottom i am right about warriors being bad ? Thats what you are doing.
But brought less than half of what druid, palas, dks and mages are ?
So again your point is ridiculously stupid and you are only making it to make a bad faith argument that anyone with half a braincell knows is dumb.
Sublety is low as brought spec so buff rogues. -DrinkNBlink
