banner of victory is complete garbage
It deserved to be a viable DPS spec. No one was arguing for ret to be made the best DPS spec. Vast majority of us were happy being made last but not by as much like we were.
Ret isnât better than fury. It never will be. Thatâs fine. Fury warriors are demanding that they get made the best DPS now so that they are even better later. Itâs a very different ask than what rets had.
Eh, itâs not really. People class stack for minor advantages far more than they need to, and the classic series populations are hugely screwed up because people know what will be âOPâ before it even starts, allowing for people to preemptively roll their new main based on what is the strongest, even if itâs a small advantage.
The min/max culture is extreme these days, which makes even small differences in power appear huge in terms of the population.
TBC raid boss tanks were mostly druid, despite the druid threat/mitigation advantages rarely ever mattering. Much of the same thing happens in wrath now, but prot paladin is picked largely because of cheat death and ardent defenderâs passive mitigation making them a bit easier to keep alive.
These things skew representation a ton.
Performance is really the important part, and warriors arenât bad at either tanking or DPS. People just donât use them because they are âworse,â and that wonât change unless they are made the best, and the entire meta warps to using them exclusively.
1 Like
Warriors deserve a nerf, just to watch these crybabies melt.
2 expansions of being S-tier dps, suddenly they arent at the top and its the end of the world.
4 Likes
Glad someone else noticed.
This is widely known as a pali xpacâŚ
Warriors were kings in vanilla to the point raids were just warriors and a handful of classes there to make the warriors do more damage.
Iâd feel bad if you werenât all fotm chasing mongoloids. Let other classes shine.
1 Like
Iâd much rather they work on bug fixes like munching or blood dkâs literally being a non viable spec because of the 5+ DRW bugs.
Just buff fury, let me be middle of the pack.
Canât wait for DKâs to have 3 viable top 1 dps specs and warriors have 0 lol.
Wish I could pvp in all 3 of my specs, or be top dps in all 3, or be top anything in any of my specs.
I donât think warriors asking for buffs is such a bad, thing. We can have both.
Buff warriors and fix DRW.
even starting with 5% would help warriors not be last in damage and last in raid utility at the same time.
if world first guilds like beef bar are bringing 0 dps warriors to raid that have 1 prot, you know something is really wrong with a class
1 Like
You give it to the player not the class. If itâs a loyal player, whoâs a team player then pally, warrior, or DK doesnât matter. Legendaryâs are a great way to reward those backbone players who maybe donât get a lot of other perks.
I do think a lot of the performance anxiety is around contesting for SM, but itâs actually a good thing to have a few classes in the running for it - from a guild perspective. It shouldnât just be about raw numbers. So long as the classes are within reach and youâre not gimping the raid giving it to one class over another.
There is an issue though, if we are balancing classes around having a legendary - itâs gravy and not the main meal.
why make up things that are easily checkable? BEEF BARs world first Ulduar run had a Fury warrior. The number one speed clear right now has a fury warrior. Clearly they bring more than you seem to think.
1 Like
lets hope⌠warriors already got 3 legendaries
these ppl are notorious for lying
1 Like
Warriors have had it tough ok! Had to take Thunderfury while being a s tier melee dps in vanilla. Had to take glaives while being an s tier melee dps in TBC. Now they have to endure the burden of being not a god tier melee for 2 whole phases and they might have to shoulder the burden of ANOTHER legendary?!?!?!
You have no idea how tough they have had it!
6 Likes
Take it or leave it, but itâs already patched, so I donât care about your whining, after all youâll have your top 1 dps at the end of this expansion.
I mean, heâs right in that speed run guilds currently just bring 1 warrior, regardless of the role they are fillingâŚ
But he misses out on the fact that warrior is clearly doing something well enough to always be present in top speed runs.
But thereâs also no real reason to bring more than 1 mage to a raid like that, so itâs not really as damning as he thinks it is regarding how viable warrior is.
If both prot or fury are used in most of the top speedruns, clearly both are viable. You just donât stack them at that level, which isnât a problem.
I just went to their logs and the run with a prot warriors has 0 dps warriors. The other have 1. WTF you lying about man?
week 1 of ulduar I recall several other guilds all pushing with 0 warriors as well. You maybe bring one of any spec for commanding shout and 0 more.
youre lying, and so was the guy you responded to
its easily verifiable on their logs that if they have 1 prot, they bring 0 dps warriors
warrior is the class you have 0-1 of. If you want commanding, you bring one of any spec and no more. If oyu dont care about commanding, you bring none.
What speed runners do doesnât matter, but they all bring 1 warrior. Warrior isnât a good class to stack ATM, but thatâs true of others as well.
Blood DPS will likely be better than both
Fury is literally the 8th most brought spec.
9th most brought spec (you probably meant 8th most brought DPS spec)
Warrior is also the 9th most brought class out of 10 classes, barely beating Hunter, but warrior has tanking to inflate the numbers a bit to barely squeak ahead by 1500 (less than a 0.3% differenceâŚnot even 1%).
If you total by class DPS viability, warrior only beats Paladin(ret) and Priest(shadow) - the 1st and 5th most brought classes, respectively.
1 Like