Dont listen to him survival damage isnt the problem. Damage wise its fine it doesnt need damage tuning it’s not busted like the other specs it’s just strong damage. it needs the pets fixed. They have 0 defensives and if the pet dies the hunter cant do any damage. Idk if you know or not but you can easily global a hunter pet with very little to no effort. A hunters only heal for the pet specifically is purgeable. Survival is borderline unplayable against kids with any symbolance of a brain they kill your pet with little to no counter play to it and you’ll never get it back with a 4 second rez.
It’s really not though. 
The pet is definitely an issue, but survival needs more then just a pet to be viable again. We don’t compare with the defensives abilities of the top specs. Triune, Wog, Greater Fade, Defensive Stance, etc. all trump exhilaration and turtle by a huge margin.
- Reduce CD on Exhilaration to 45s or increase it’s healing to 50%. It needs a serious buff. When most classes have single hitting abilities that hit harder then our major defensive heals for… something is very off.
- Make explosive trap baseline.
- Buff serpent sting for both pve and pvp.
- Reduce pet damage taken from cleave abilities like Sweeping Strike and increase mend by 100%… and make it undispellable.
- MAKE BANDGES NOT BREAK ON DAMAGE… This is the dumbest ability in game. It should be like any other case and only be stopped with a kick or a CC. Nothing like popping turtle and having mend STOP for some reason… WHILE in turtle. I have had it break because of bleeds on me… The very thing I’m trying to remove.
Survival needs more then a pet buff to be viable again. Even if Mage and Ret are nerfed, it does nothing to fix hunters. Also, ret being nerfed is an indirect nerf to hunters anyways. >.<
Idk I personally feel the pet Is the only thing screwing it over. Outside of the other over tuned specs you mentioned they just need to be brought done.
I don’t think we have the damage to compete now. There are to many instant heals and to many defensives to put up enough pressure without heavily relying on our team. Hunter’s don’t bring enough utility to offset their lack of defensives and low damage inside CC windows. The fact a huge number of specs are getting kill inside 4s windows OR with no CC at all, says enough about a SV hunting not being able to kill a target in a stun > trap > fear.
Ive never in my survival life have seen this happen
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Turtle doesn’t stop all damage instantly. It’s not like ice block. Spells in the air and some queued abilities still hit in that first fraction of a second it goes up. Likely due in part to latency. I just took a nice screenshot of dying to execute after using turtle. good times.
I dont agree with defensive buffs for hunters, we are a class based around kiting and offensive momentum.
Fix pets!
Give wilderness survival back baseline (reduces cd of bomb when raptor/mongoose is used)
Give latent poison back baseline.
These changes would go along way to making survival feel better to play and allowing us to actually get others to play defensive.
So boy, thats EXACTLY my point.
Me: SV dmg is under other classes
Survivalist: YOU ARE WRONG, SV DMG IS FINE, DONT LISTEN TO HIM, ITS JUST NOT GOOD AS OTHER CLASSES.
Wut?
Pet is an issue but is NOT the fix SV needs, even if pet DOENS’T DIES SV DMG is the weakest of the game.
IF blizz buff hunters pet today, making them imortal SV will still sits in 1% representation.
Stop using this as an argument, it doesn’t work. Survival hunters were very low on the representation board last expac too, they were not weak then.
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Stop using “their representation is low because they are not cool enough” as an argument. This is just fallacy.
Representation explicity means power/effiency. We talking about math you can’t disagree about that.
I can and I do disagree because you are wrong. There are too many variables in this equation that you don’t have access to in order to make this speculation.
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Im considering all variables.
Im considering Team X/ Class Y are above others because they are more efficient against all other combinations.
SV has low representation explicity because they has less efficiency against all other combinations mathematically. You can’t disagree, its logic.
Your logic needs more logic.
You would need, at bare minimum, the amount of people who have stepped into arena (not just the arenamate leader boards) of every class and spec your comparing just to get a decent sample size.
Then you could ATTEMPT at building a correlation of this % of this spec has reached atleast this rating vs this % of this other spec.
Even then there are too many variables that can’t be controlled, what % of spec x takes arena seriously vs just farts around for cap. Even if you somehow get all that data, you can’t, there are still questions to he asked.
You can not use a leader board representation chart to determine strength.
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Amount of people
Leaderboard shows every single pvp player in their respective rating. I’m not selecting a portion, im talking about everyone.
Sample size
A leaderboard which consists every single 1900+ player are not only decent but more than necessary to measure players which are able to understand the whole kit of their classes.
“what % of spec x takes arena seriously vs just farts around for cap”
Everyone who just farts around for cap are not in the leaderboard.
Basically your argument appeal is about hidden players that could achiev relevant rating but “maybe” they just don’t care… this argument is shallow and irrelevant.
Is like talk about the strongest man in the world and then says “but maybe theres a strong man than him which just don’t care about training”
This kind of argument means absolutely nothing.
Yo survival boys, is mongoose bite still the play? I’ve seen people take tip instead and chakrams. I wanna try my hunt again
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I can’t answer which is better, im trying both of them tip and mb, in theory as a venthyr its “better” tip of the spear because you can stop your rotation in order to killshot.
So its basically venthyr + tip, kyrian + mb… but im studying yet.
Tip is better. I have tried chakrams and I prefer wildfire infusion.
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What makes tip better? Cuz you can load it up from far away?
I was thinking about going venthyr. Partially because none of my chars are venthyr boys
Its a combination of tip being buffed at start of expac and us lacking the haste required to consistently stack mongoose bites up for the damage.
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