I don’t think SV damage is “good”. I am trying to think of a melee spec that it outdamages. Maybe Outlaw? Possibly Sub, but Sub has superior burst windows and is always going for a restealth so probably not a good comparison. maybe I just need more experience with it or something. I don’t see any SV Hunters and when I mess with the spec it’s using an honor weapon.
Those are the pvp forums, you’re wrong here.
I’m not sure which data you’re looking at, but Arenamate.net proves you wrong:
https://i.gyazo.com/6ade1cb8bf031a4461883e6aca09375f.png
Well, guess that means I’m right then. Although I disagree with the statement, as representation doesn’t translate into power. Pala has about the same representation as Priest while being ten times stronger.
https ://www.pvpleaderboard.com/statistics#spec
All specs, all leaderboards
304 UH DKS
124 SV hunters
Representation EXPLICITY represents power, by all means. Theres nothing to “agreed” about that. If X won more than Y, therefore X is better than Y.
Holy palas are not being majority because they are “Cool” and Resto druid aren’t “Cool” enough.
We can’t measure team X and team Y, thats why representation explains powers, because representation means all teams over all possibilities.
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I enjoy it tbh. The kill shot resets can be pretty juicy at times. Personally I just didnt see the point in being kyrian as I plan to main sv not mm. I’ve gotten almost 10k kill shots as sv.
ok but like… lowest defensives of any melee class? as a havoc DH that hurts…
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You really think your defensive is worst than SV?
We can talk about it all day.
i do yes…
You got Metamorphosis, Evasion, Blur, Flying thing,
I got turtle… and a 30% heal that gives me 1 second of surviability in this meta.
metamorph really doesnt make me that tanky (it just gives me leech)
the “flying thing” aka rain from above is not the viable pick in any arena situation.
Blur is really good yes! ill give you that!
and “darkness” which im assuming you ment by “evasion” is a small aoe effect that i have to stay on. my class revolves around doing burst and then kiting. therfore i cant stay in darkness as long as it lasts 90% of the time.
furthermore “turtle form” is a great ability for defense and exhil 30% healing i think is pretty fair for playin hunter.
I am of course in no way saying survival doesnt need a buff! i fully think your correct in saying that. but saying it has the lowest defense of any melee class simply isnt correct. Lowest damage seems off too but i cant back that up so ill give that one to yuh
“metamorph really doesnt make me that tanky”
Better than nothing.
By evasion i meant Blur.
Darkness is like a immunity.
Its better than SV, its not even close man.
its simply not better if you lookat the class representation in both 2s and 3s eu and us you can see a vast difference in survival hunter vs DH in the top 5k. “better than nothing” isnt true either because there are pets out there that would be giving you 10% leech. darkness isnt a full immunity unfortunently its only a chance of missing the attack. if it doesnt miss it still hits you 100% of the damage
Add wilderness survival (raptor/mongoose usage lowers cd of bomb) and latent poison baseline and fix pets dying to garlic breath and survival is 100x better.
Also, I think unholy dk is pretty much on par with survival in defensives which is a shame because it should be better in that department then survival is.
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isnt survivals best in slot legendary a mega defensive one as well? i cant remember what its called but i know its a defensive
fake death dispell, which grants you 0 health.
Its not a worth value compared to the value which a offensive legendary provides.
Its a class wide leggo, the problem is defensives isn’t really the issue. Hunter isn’t meant to be a tank, its meant to kite and do good pressure while on the move. Survival isn’t really doing great at this right now.
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Survival seems fine from what i’ve seen, it’s representation is likely just low due to the fact that marks is the better option vs surv and BM.
There are much bigger problems that need to addressed, once they are nerfed survival will benefit from that and the game will be healthier instead of just buffing them up to WW, Rets and Mages.
Pets die to being breathed on. Survival requires the pet to do its most basic damage rotation. What about this tells you its fine?
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“Sv seems fine, the only problem is the other classes 40% ahead of them are a better option”
40% is nothing more than hyperbole, if you legitimately believe that SV is that far behind you are just playing the class wrong. Plain and simple.