Guess that’s your only defense to having to overgear in order to succeed in pvp
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Right.
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I never doubted it could be done, my argument is that unlike purchasing green items to fill slots like some other posters have (rightly) suggested there is no recourse here, there is only one way to obtain competitive gear for this bracket and it’s to turn your EXP off and wait for a time-walking week.
I don’t think that’s reasonable. I also don’t think it’s reasonable to bank 25/25 quests with item rewards for when I hit 119 (guess 110-118 is out for battlegrounds) and pray for titan-forges while farming rares and looting chests for 9 levels (which to be honest wont be enough).
I didn’t mind the other posts in this thread about gearing, buying some decent items and at least doing your best but this is actually ridiculous and unfair as a bracket and should be seriously looked at. I shouldn’t have to line up leveling my alts with a monthly holiday.
Or do you think this guy got his 40 neck from some purple boxes.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/undermine/nicoch
There are no twinks in that SS! Show that other SS where the rogue doubled your dmg, or any other one with a twink in it. The disparity is real.
IMO Damage isn’t really a good indication of anything because you can push damage several different ways and don’t even have to be a twink.
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GGs My dude
Had some pretty close games. I kind of expect to lose when we go merc ![:rofl:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
alli really is terrible a lot of the time, but horde ques were pretty long last night so we decided to for the sake of 2 min ques.
Must say I’m surprised you screencapped and linked that game though… as it kind of flys in the face of your claims. We had a 5 stack of twinks, your team had none, yet you won the game… I thought twinks were so crazy OP that one of us could single-handedly carry a game? According to you, and others in the ant-twink camp, there is absolutely nothing a team of levelers can do against even a single twink, much less a team of them… yet your team won against a full group. ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
It’s almost like this whole twink thing is blown way out of proportion and teamwork/objectives is actually the primary factor in the outcome of a bg.
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Been leveling my 107 orc shammy and have lost 6 games in a row. I did gain a level and a half. I started at 105. I’m hoping it was just a bad night.
It wasn’t twinks that caused the losses so much as just crappy teamwork. Although the WSG vs 5 hunters was pretty awful.
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“Twinks” get blamed for far more things than they actually do from what I am seeing.
Like my friend who was irate at getting killed by a paladin and a druid who were 100% not twinks, not even remotely close.
Class balance seems to be the bigger issue.
I have seen MM hunters do some serious damage, and upon checking them, nope, no twink gear at all.
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I’m in full agreement with the spirit of what you’ve said. Encountering premades like that, especially when they’re behaving in an unsportsmanlike (to use a word that will be accepted by the forums) manner really, really sucks. I encounter it both on my twinks and as a leveler. There’s no other way to say it (in a way the forums will accept) other than it sucks and we either have to accept that it’s a part of the game or don’t do BGs. For my part I’ve come to accept that it’s a thing and when it gets to be too much for me to deal with on a given day I go do something else that’ll progress that character.
Yes, I twink casually, but I also use BGs to level in and I feel your guys’ pain. I’m sorry that crap happens and that it gets so discouraging. Please know that not all twinks are snotrockets; a lot of us are also “regular players” and prefer to play in a sportsmanlike manner. Also, those snotrockets out that curbstomp everyone, twink or not so we feel it too.
Regards,
Vendorioc/Lucritius/Zinjud
Yeah I wish more people would open their eyes and see that
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Yeah someone blamed twinks in the SSM we lost even though the scoreboard showed an even mix in damage. I didn’t see any twinks. What I saw was a horde group hellbent on holding lava and ignoring the other carts.
I agree class balance is a bigger issue. Have I mentioned the WSG vs 5 hunters? 
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Here are the statistics compared from the root, where is the disparity?
https://imgur.com/a/8Ji3bMG
The disparity is self imposed, the options for custom gearing progression has never been easier.
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I mean there are some twinks who have crappy attitudes and treat everyone around them like dirt, even other twinks, but I have seen way more levelers act like jerks.
In the 80’s bracket, we all pretty much know who is who in the twink world, and it can be some epic fun fights, or sometimes a lope sided slaughter.
I am really sorry that levelers get caught in the crossfire, and would be fine if they split the queues, but if they don’t, I can’t do anything about that, except do my best to heal the levelers who are in my brackets, and try my best to secure the win, and see them safely out.
I level myself, leveling a back up hunter right now, and so far been smashed in to oblivion every single BG, but I’m not mad… it is what it is.
And yeesh 5 hunters!
Yeah I understand why you don’t think twinks can 1 shot in the 119 bracket now XD.
I have no idea why you are talking about roots…
Turning off XP is self imposed and designed so twinks can create the largest gear disparity possible. A disparity that results in a BG like the one I spoke of earlier:
Do you honestly feel like have that much gear disparity is justified and working as intended? Do twinks need that much of a gear disparity to kill people?
Why not try something? Go do a BG with you twink with just BoA’s (you know like the average leveller gear) and show your dmg. Then do it again with all your BiS gear and show the dmg. Compare what the dmg does for each of the top abilities and show us all the difference.
What does this have to do with anything? Twinks are OP and the experience of playing with or against is horrible compared to playing a BG without any twinks.
That is when we win with them or lose against them. Twinks decide the match and that is no fun. The vast majority of matches are decided by the number of twinks on either side before the game starts. Wins are empty and losses are frustrating.
Dmg and healing is how people live or die. when someone does an average of 5x the average of the other team it has a huge impact on the game, not to mention the players on the receiving end of that dmg.
If skill was the only thing, twinks would be all over everyone having the same gear, and clearly that is not the popular opinion.
The nicest way to say it is “yes.” Some people just have to have as many crutches as possible. From a neutral perspective, I don’t understand the point unless casual levelers are that threatening.
Disparity in power is relative to stats.
Power levels are closely obtainable to players who choose to obtain them.
As documented in this image, we can compare x5 - x9 stats within two common Brackets (20-29,40-49)
Compare the difference in stats between x5 vs x9 within these diagrams, these are the ideal “disparity” differences.
https://imgur.com/a/8Ji3bMG
I get that damage and healing is how people live or die. However, damage isn’t what wins games, and there are many cases where the winning team doesn’t have the top damaging player on it. All I’m saying is that any player, twink or non-twink, can push high damage numbers as has been presented. This doesn’t mean there is a problem with the xp on/off switch.
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