Bring Twink Queues Back

[Lannfear-dalaran]

Disparity in power is relative to stats.
Power levels are closely obtainable to players who choose to obtain them.
As documented in this image, we can compare x5 - x9 stats within two common Brackets (20-29,40-49)
Compare the difference in stats between x5 vs x9 within these diagrams, these are the ideal “ disparity ” differences.

An image of a boot… honestly

Prove it, or stop spreading this (mis)information:

Why not try something? Go do a BG with you twink with just BoA’s (you know like the average leveller gear) and show your dmg. Then do it again with all your BiS gear and show the dmg. Compare what the dmg does for each of the top abilities and show us all the difference.

[Lucifersbck-lightbringer]

Just remove experience completely from battlegrounds and don’t let anyone be able to turn it off.
Yes, back in Vanilla it worked fine and faction balance was better. Only people who enjoyed pvp would queue, get gud and not just for experience like now.
Queues popped every 5 minutes on average. It was bg after bg of fun.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Then maybe you’re not doing enough. I have np contributing to a win either way.

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

Do you honestly feel like have that much gear disparity is justified and working as intended?

What gear disparity? Kang has already shown you that from X0 to x9 the gear isn’t so wide that it’s barely even worth mentioning. I thought we already ( you did in particular) established that since we spend more time on our characters that it was our experience that also gave us the edge? Now your back to crutching on gear yet again?

IF it’s just the gear that you think that is giving us all this raw phenomenal power, how come we have yet to see a low level twink lock dominate? Shaman? Yet, all I hear and see are the OP classes/specs mentioned here. Doesn’t that tell you something?

Not a single one of you has yet to touch on this or some of the still OP items in game but yet you all sure want to banish us back to rerolling yet again. Here, I’ll help you get the ball rolling with a list of changes that need to be made:

• All Items with a damage proc such as The Princess Scepter damage needs to be reduced by ~50%.

• All enchants need to display damage/buffs correctly and not subject to multiple instances of ‘procs’ due to weapon swapping. They need to be treated as hunter buffs where when the weapon is swapped the buff drops.

• Re-implement spell ranks for better damage balancing. I know it would be tedious for Blizzard to maintain but trying to control all damage through a formula from xx level to xxx level is just lazy.

• Hard code premades to fight other premades when possible even if queue do initially suffer.

• implement a min ilevel warning advising the participant that although they can queue, their gear level is under optimal levels.

• Implement a gear vendor system that can purchase gear for every slot using marks of honor. This gear should be the best available and should have every combination of secondary stats available.

There, this should get you started. Feel free to add or debate as needed, but this circle jerk that is ongoing isn’t getting anywhere.

[Serafen-proudmoore]

What gear disparity? Kang has already shown you that from X0 to x9 the gear isn’t so wide that it’s barely even worth mentioning. I thought we already ( you did in particular) established that since we spend more time on our characters that it was our experience that also gave us the edge? Now your back to crutching on gear yet again?

Kang showed a picture of a boot. And clearly thinks that what we have now is a good balance of power between twinks and levellers.

Twink warriors are doing 5x the dmg of the average levelling player in a BG. The boot is not what is doing that, it is all the slots plus all the enchants plus all the buffs etc. You add all those up, and that is what makes the difference, not a boot. So, show us your damage from a BG. Show me a scoreboard where you get 5x the dmg of the average player and then show me the damage meter results for the abilities. I will show you what an average leveller gets for the same input.

And yes, compound that with the infinite time to spend at that level and it is way out of balance.

That being said though, I think all your suggestions for fixing this issue are spot on.

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

wrong toon lol

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

IF it’s just the gear that you think that is giving us all this raw phenomenal power, how come we have yet to see a low level twink lock dominate? Shaman? Yet, all I hear and see are the OP classes/specs mentioned here. Doesn’t that tell you something?

Yes, that twinks go out of their way to play exactly these specs for exactly that reason. Like resto druids at your level for example.

Again, just because twinks are not the only problem, they are still a problem and serve to make every other imbalance much worse.

In the end, wherever the imbalance comes from, twinks go out of their way to abuse every single aspect of it, all at the expense of levellers like me.

[Oäk-bloodhoof (Oäk)]

yeah all I am seeing from these threads are premade complaints or people that link screenshots are usually the OP specs some people in these threads have even mentioned that the OP specs aren’t even twinks that speaks for itself

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

Then maybe you’re not doing enough. I have np contributing to a win either way.

You must be really good, how do you do it?

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Kang showed a picture

The “Feet Slot” (Boot)was chosen in this situation, just to make comparison between the stats easier to visualize.
“Slot” choice does not have any bearing on how gradually the Stats scale throughout the levels.
https://imgur.com/a/8Ji3bMG

Take a look for yourselves on any other obtainable Dungeon/Quest item and manually scale the item using Wowhead slider throughout the gradual levels.
This scaling works the same for all Dungeon/Quest gear within the lower Brackets, this is a fact.

[Floyln-tichondrius (Floyln)]

There’s the excuse I forgot to add, FOTM whining.

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

The gear point is moot anyway as per the OP

it literally has nothing to do with gear

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

Like resto druids at your level for example.

Lol, Rdruids at this level are no where near OP. MW and disc blow rdruid healing away at 39.
https://imgur.com/nWlvj58

Again, just because twinks are not the only problem, they are still a problem and serve to make every other imbalance much worse.

And your best bet is to just kick us out only to find out that the OP classes / specs still exist within your xpon bracket. What’s next, asking Blizzard to remove these specs because they are too troublesome for levelers, like you, to overcome? That heirloom gear is now the new terror for you levelers?

There, this should get you started. Feel free to add or debate as needed, but this circle jerk that is ongoing isn’t getting anywhere.

I have offered suggestions, I guess you still want removal regardless if fixes can be found? Is your pride hurt that bad that you can’t just accept a loss? Is missing out on all that sweet bg exp disrupting your gaming experience on the way to 120?

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Once again our “concerned OP” has vanished without any valid information to bring forward as we progress through the thread(s).

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

That’s a sweet victory right there

[Oäk-bloodhoof (Oäk)]

Like every single thread a person with low post count makes it then vanishes

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

The “Feet Slot” (Boot)was chosen in this situation, just to make comparison between the stats easier to visualize.

Show me some shots of your dmg meter in a BG where you pwn levelers, that will be the easiest to visualize. Show me what your abilities are hitting for in your BiS twink gear. Showing boots in isolation means next to nothing.

[Floyln-tichondrius (Floyln)]

What’s next, asking Blizzard to remove these specs because they are too troublesome for levelers, like you, to overcome? That heirloom gear is now the new terror for you levelers?

There’s no doubt that heirlooms will be targeted next. After that they’ll go after keybinders.

It’ll never end.

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

Show me some shots of your dmg meter in a BG where you pwn levelers, that will be the easiest to visualize. Show me what your abilities are hitting for in your BiS twink gear. Showing boots in isolation means next to nothing.

You do understand that Kang is an Arms warrior, right? Very rarely does he ever play Fury, much to my dismay. You also don’t understand that most of the time that you see a twinks damage high, there is a healer somewhere close by. And as you can tell, most of us know each other, for several years. Again, gear isn’t your biggest problem. Classes are. I have offered up fixes, yet you still want separation. Perhaps you need to shift your paradigm, just saying.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

We can look the (100+?) screenshots which have been documented on these threads and easily see how well active “Levelers” are doing.
This has been rightfully confirmed over and over again, as documented.

Damage/Healing. √
Assisting teammates.√
Securing objectives. √