Bring Twink Queues Back

Valarien-area-52 · March 6, 2019, 6:29pm

Then remove the ability to shut off experience. It shouldn’t be a problem after all.

Greyhide-khadgar · March 6, 2019, 6:29pm

This is pretty spot on.

I mean, let them do them. Some people are content with playing games on easy mode. Nothing wrong with that.

Myninja-llane · March 6, 2019, 6:30pm

Na we’ll just remove xp from BGs entirely.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 6, 2019, 6:30pm

No to both accounts.

Valarien-area-52 · March 6, 2019, 6:31pm

So you’d basically make it twink only again, are we talking in circles here?

Varamyr-arthas · March 6, 2019, 6:34pm

I mean yeah… I have never claimed that wasn’t my PoV. It was the reasoning behind it that I am disagreeing with you on.

You see the statement above as proof of laziness. That is the only reason in your mind that someone wouldn’t want to farm up end game gear.

My point is that there are other reasons one might not want to farm end game gear. For me it’s the fun factor. I have gotten geared up every season for the past 5 expansions, I have zero issue farming gear at end game. I’m clearly not just too lazy to farm gear, it’s the dumpster fire that is BFA gearing that I have an issue with.

Kangmurloc-dark-iron · March 6, 2019, 6:34pm

How would an inactive account even have access to understanding what is happening in our Battlegrounds?
Next thing you know we will see Honor Level 1 players making the same impossible claims.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 6, 2019, 6:37pm

I mean I’m gonna be honest, you don’t even really need gear to do randoms at endgame either. And if you’re doing rated pvp, you get better gear anyway than you would from randoms.

Valarien-area-52 · March 6, 2019, 6:49pm

So let me attempt to summarize this:

You don’t want to farm gear and just want to play. You aren’t lazy because you’ve geared up in the past. Twinking has become your end game.

People casually queuing for battlegrounds while leveling just want to play. They are lazy because they don’t put in the effort. Twinks expect them to get on the gear treadmill they themselves opted out of.

Varamyr-arthas · March 6, 2019, 6:49pm

We’ve had this discussion before Juga lol.

Here’s was my response last time you made that point.

Epic new expansion!

Sure it’s possible that someone could only do PvP and only get conq gear and be competitive. But, someone who does that will almost certainly, fall behind the same player, who does similar levels of rated PvP, at similar rating, but also does emissaries, world bosses, AFKfronts, M+, Islands, etc. Which the player who does both PvE and PvP should be better geared overall, ofc, but that person will also be more powerful in PvP because of their PvE efforts. In the past with resil/pvp power that was not the case. You could, and I did, only log on and que up PvP to earn your honor/conq points and be equally geared for PvP as someone who does both PvP and PvE (for the most part at least, there where a few outliers in legendaries in Cata for example, but overall it holds true).

This might very well be more psychological than anything. When I’d log on I wanted to que up rated bgs, or find arena partners, or just do some randoms to warm up. But if I did that, and ignored the emissary that could possibly drop an upgraded Azerite piece, and didn’t do the world boss that drops a trinket that would be BiS if it forged and didn’t do the warfront for the free piece of gear, etc… I would feel bad, like I was neglecting upgrading my character as much as I could. That might just be a personal thing, but that feeling of obligation to do all of these things that could make my toon stronger in PvP just sapped the fun out of it. Previous expansions never felt that way, I happily ignored raiding, dungeons, end game quests, etc. every expansion and was still as geared as I could be for PvP through conq vendors. Now if I do that there’s that nagging thought in the back of my head saying " you know if you went and did that warfront you could have a better weapon right now" or " You should be doing those world quests that could get you a better pair of shoulders ". etc.

I’m not saying that everyone should feel that way, nor am I asking for Blizz to change the game to fit my taste (though wanting vendors back is hardly a niche opinion), I have simply done what any customer does when they aren’t happy with a product… I’ve stopped using it. Or in this case I have found a way to still enjoy the product in a different way than they designed it.

Again to reiterate, I am not at all saying that is the objective truth or all players or anything, that is simply my opinion on why I find BFA and it’s gearing systems incredibly unfun.

I am bringing it up as an alternative to the idea that the only reason someone wouldn’t want to gear up at 120 is pure laziness.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 6, 2019, 6:51pm

Yea, I had dejavu writing it

Varamyr-arthas · March 6, 2019, 6:53pm

Nope. Wrong right off the bat. Again.

You seem to be missing the point that there are different paths to gearing, or at least there used to be. I have no problem farming gear when the activities that reward the gear are fun. IE conquest vendors and PvP gear of the past. When you could que up for PvP and earn the best gear in the game for PvP, by doing PvP. Forcing myself to do things that I don’t want to for a reward isn’t fun, that’s called a job.

Just because I don’t enjoy the PvE gear grind doesn’t mean that I just don’t want to farm gear at all.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 6, 2019, 6:58pm

I will say however, unless you are going for the very top rating, you really can just pvp. Plenty of groups in LFG if one won’t take you.

On a side note: Valarien, are you really only Honor level 1? Have you done any pvp since wod?

Valarien-area-52 · March 6, 2019, 6:59pm

What gear does your twink(s) wear primarily?

Idun-wyrmrest-accord · March 6, 2019, 7:03pm

**[quote=“Valarien-area-52, post:988, topic:111161, full:true”]

So let me attempt to summarize this:

You don’t want to farm gear and just want to play. You aren’t lazy because you’ve geared up in the past. Twinking has become your end game.

People casually queuing for battlegrounds while leveling just want to play. They are lazy because they don’t put in the effort. Twinks expect them to get on the gear treadmill they themselves opted out of.
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Pretty much. He’s tossing out the most word salad to justify laziness I’ve seen in a while.

Valarien-area-52 · March 6, 2019, 7:03pm

I think I’m honor level 17? I have the bloodthirsty title so I’m not a rookie when it comes to battlegrounds.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 6, 2019, 7:04pm

Maybe the armory is wacky.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 6, 2019, 7:06pm

But have you experienced low level BGs lately? Or just going by what people post? They aren’t really that bad and I have Bloodthirsty like 3 times over.

Kangmurloc-dark-iron · March 6, 2019, 7:08pm

Here is a comparison to how an Entry Level item will be compared to the Middle and End Bracket options. 20-25-29, 40-45-49.
https://imgur.com/a/8Ji3bMG

How would this be possibly more gradually done?

Varamyr-arthas · March 6, 2019, 7:15pm

Not trying to “justify” anything… I am more than willing to admit I am lazy with alot of things lol but for this particular issue that is not a factor.

I was simply trying to point out that there are often more than one side to things. That he shouldn’t presume to know the personal motivations of other people.

Was hoping that by explaining a different point of view that he might realize he’s being a bit close-minded with his analysis. Seems like it may have been a futile effort though, you guys’ preconceived notions seem to be holding strong regardless of what anyone says.