There has never been a balanced PvP server. The eventual opening of server/faction transfer services only worsened the balance issue, turning all of them into boring gankfests where one side had no hope of fighting back and the other eventually burned themselves out in the constant effort to prevent whatever fragments of the lesser faction remained from getting to do anything.
The main difference between ye olde PvP realms and war mode is the ability to opt out without paying for a server transfer. The faction imbalance has never been worse. War mode consists pretty much entirely of roving bands of Alliance just descending on horrendously outnumbered Horde players and camping til either the campers get bored or the campee logs out.
As for lowbie campees? Yeah, nobody is coming to help them. The days of camping a lowbie sparking a faction war in (insert zone) ended after vanilla WoW. People have a very romanticized view of PvP in the old days, particularly after that point.
Except they did come to help them. One guy was tanking stranglethorn so bad on mannoroth, one pvp guild camped his corpse for two weeks straight. It did actually happen, crazy and a bit excessive, but they took shifts and camped him 24/7. Did he deserve it? Absolutely! Was what the guild did wrong? Absolutely not. Everyone who PvPâd knew the consequences.
No that was harassment and against ToS. You will not change my mind on that or that of the other 90% of people who disagree. Most of the time there was no help it was simply everyone avoiding the area and one person logging out of the game never to return because the âs00p3r l33tâ pvp guy wanted his world pvp at the expense of another person. Then the game looses as subscriber. Now multiply that out by thousands of times and you have the game losing millions.
I donât agree with Kiyoko on several things but you would do well to listen to him in this instance. Warmode still allows you that pvp experience minus the ability to gank low level toons. If blizzard thought that was actual pvp they wouldnât have made it impossible.
Yes because not everyone enjoys that type of gameplay. I know that itâs difficult for you to grasp that not everyone likes playing how you do and thereâs other playstyles than yours, but welcome to reality.
If you and other people want to play that way, you do you, but leave me and the rest of the people out of it. Folks should never have had to pick between playing with their friends on a server or dealing with tools hiding behind âmuh world pvpâ. Today if you want to do that kind of stuff, you have warmode for that and you can play with like minded individuals without disturbing the people who have no interest in playing with you. The only reason you donât like it is because you want to corpse camp and you think you should be allowed to prevent other people from playing a game they paid for.
We did and we were playing like that, until you unhappy people invaded our pvp realms and cried hard enough that blizzard changed it. There was no reason to get rid of PvP servers. No matter how you argue it or the mental gymnastics you go through to try and justify it, you could have always went to a PvE server. Except you didnât.
are you stupid? the context of this post is the OP wants world pvp on all the time but still doesnt pvp with the option to pvp. thats what i was replying to. not you. so you actually agree with me and not op. just stop.
if in the context of this post you would rather instance pvp then you actually are against the op. good lord peoples general level of intelligence has really fallen.
PvP servers dropped off hard. Between that, the abysmal state of faction balance and the endless whining, corporate probbaly made the call. Blizzard is going to do whatever happens to be the most lucrative option, and itâs likely they thought this was it.
I played on Vent Co, Emerald Dream and Twisting Nether for a long time.
I dislike Warmode because the rp-pvp and in particular Emerald Dream knowing where guilds hung out and being able to go fight is no longer a thing with Warmode and Sharding.
Some of my fondest memories are the battles at honor hold, or in Wrath when my guild was based out of Valiance Keep and the day in and out battles with a horde guild out of Warsong Hold. Fighting off the multiple Forsaken Guilds that would pour out of New Agamand at the lift and Valgarde.
To a lesser extent the endless fighting at the Shrines in MoP.
Currently I can go on Emerald Dream turn warmode on with a friend on the other faction, and stand in the same spot and not be guaranteed to see one another. Warmode wouldnât facilitate those memories, because if we grouped up as a guild to go fight another guild we may end up on different shards.
Iâve fought against the WRA horde groups, and when grouping up either we phase or they do.
I donât hate warmode by any means (and think itâs a net positive for most players), but I personally miss the way things once were. Granted ED was unique on the population balance with various guilds swapping factions due to imbalances over the years, and the realm hating outsiders more then each other with groups like Ruin and Prepared showed up. Iâm not sure if the changes were reverted it would make a differnece since even Grob has become more and more blue.
Your problem is that you tried to drag other people into it and werenât content to just play by yourselves. No you had to try to make it the problem of everyone else. Your problem is had everyone done what you said of just transferring servers, you would STILL have whined about how âwhy are our servers empty, blizzard do something.â Then when they did something you still wouldâve whined saying it wasnât enough. Now tell me, would you rather them have gotten rid of pvp servers and given you warmode, or would you rather them have kept the pvp servers and the game as a whole ceases to exist because all the subscribers left from not wanting to deal with pvp types like yourself? Because those were your options.
Whether you like it or not you are in the minority of people in this game, and always will be. Facts remain enough people voted with their wallets that said âif you keep this weâre leaving and you wonât have a gameâ that they did what their customers wanted them to do. You donât have to like it, but when enough people say âfix this or weâre leavingâ theyâre going to listen. In this case the other 90% said âscrap pvp servers and end this foolishness or weâre out.â So they did exactly that, scrapped the pvp servers. If you want pvp servers again go play class, do warmode, do bgs, do arenas or quit whining about it.
For that matter your own people didnât want to deal with that foolishness either or you wouldnât have seen the massive faction imbalances you did on pvp servers. You wouldnât have had servers that were 90% horde vs 10% alliance or vice versa. You can hate it all you want but dedicated pvp servers were a failed experiment and no amount of you whining or screaming will change it. If you want pvp then you still have options. If you donât use those options thatâs a you problem. And if youâre not willing to use those options then you must not want it as bad as you claim and just want to whine.
Youâre allowed to miss how things were at different points in the history of the game. Thinking back is perfectly fine as everyone does it at some point or another. That said I have no sympathy for people like the OP who want to force pvp onto unwilling participants which is and will always be harassment. world pvp died the day instanced pvp became a thing and if people were going to protest they should have then. If folks want that old type of pvp, classic servers exist for that reason.
Correct, but you didnât get a free cop out button. You logged off since you didnât want to PvP which again goes back to the age old response⌠âPvP happened on a PvP server?â.
Iâm not really a PvPâer, but Iâve been on a (original) PvP server my entirety of WoW; itâs just where my buddies were. When servers were combined and LFG came in and other subsequent changes were made to the game, servers lost their identities as well as their ability to kind of âpoliceâ themselves. Server forums were quite active on both PvP and PvE matters.
There were known PvP jerks, but to counter that, you get your max level toon and some buddies and camp them in return. That then turned into everyone calling their buddies on each side. Next thing you know every living thing in south shore and tarren mill is dead. Itâs not for everybody, I totally get that. But I also get where OP is coming from. It kept you on your toes and it was exciting in its own way.
On the flipside, you could get camped and have no help. These were the dice you rolled playing on a PvP server. You werenât safe anywhere.
