When I was referring to everyone I was talking about the side playing victim. Since it feels like we’re arguing against the world every time this comes up. Also just a heads up Avel.
^ This is a BFA baby. He doesn’t even know
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I dont want mastery of healing keys as an hpal. I am forced to keep loot with high lastery because of ilvl. Therefore not an upgrade and still can’t trade.
If they kept PL and let me trade anything I want to give away then I’m fine with that. In fact it would make loot stacking easier
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Flip flopping between master looter and personal loot solves nothing. One benefits one half of the community and crap on the other half of the community, and switching to the loot system craps on the benefactor of the original loot system and benefits the crapees of the original loot system. You’re just shuffling around which portion of the community is angry and having a miserable time in the game. This is why most games have long ago abandoned this crappy loot system. This discussion is one of like 20 unfixable problems with it that is a constant millstone on the game.
Ion talks like a guy who didn’t kiss a girl until he was 30.
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Those groups will just swap if you re-enable ML.
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Yes agreed one side wants to play in all fairness to everyone, the other side wants to force their ML on to everyone again ML was never an Option when you’re a new player and trying to get into a guild.
Criterias to enter most guilds are Discord is a must and DKP system or loot council system so.
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Sure thing,
Like I said, your little issue of not being able to give loot away is far far < all the problems that ML brings. Quit being selfish.
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1st point is irrelevant. A guild raid team is an entirely different setting to a pug dungeon. They should be treated differently. You could make the exact same argument about forcing all raid teams to just be automatically formed from a queue. After all, the majority of group content that’s taken part in is via a queue.
2nd point is in regards to splits. It didn’t stop it.
3rd more personal control of your fate. In other words making the experience an individual one. In an MMORPG… Not just in an MMORPG, but in an MMORPG where some groups want the exact opposite experience. Remember, no one wants to take that control from YOU. We just want you to stop making that decision for US. Also, I’m not on the LC and am not the LM. I still choose ML.
4th Tradeability within PL still allows for that. Don’t make me laugh. Seriously? Really? Then make the system fully tradeable. Do that and I’ll shut up about ML. Until then, I’ve seen one too many BiS trinkets or BiS weapons DE’d due to nebulous trade restrictions. Or watched one person get incremental 5 ilvl upgrades week after week, while their raid members got nothing.
5th rewards at the mercy of others. That is supposed to be MY choice to make blizzard. MINE. I choose that choice willingly. I know the risks, I know the consequences. Stop trying to hold my hand.
6th trial excuse. Lmao… So what, did they get zero loot during all those farm kills? Really? Also did the trial not ask about the loot policy? Did they think it was fair? Did they sign up to it? Did the guild follow their own rules? If the answer is yes to all of this… then that’s called a fair contract made between players with expectations set out and followed. If their rules are you trial for 6 months and get no loot… WHY DO YOU WANT TO JOIN THEM? Most guilds trial you for 2 weeks, and in every mythic guild I’ve been in the trials got plenty of loot from farm bosses. Sure maybe they missed out on an absolute BiS trinket during that period, but that’s such a ridiculously thing to demand as a new player joining a team. I say that as someone who had that exact situation occur to and actively refused any chance of the item despite technically winning the roll. My words were “that makes perfect sense.”
So… does he have any other points to be made. Cause every single one of those points were god awful, and have remained so since they first brought them up back then.
If you don’t like ML, then don’t use it. Bring it back as an option.
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i played enough classic and understand the problems with master loot lets not forget the major rage the redditors and elitist were when asmongold was ninjaing items from onyxia
he was just literally showing off the toxicity of the master loot system.
but yet you guys want it so that the minority can enjoy their gear trading
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Screw master loot I hope it never returns it’s freaking toxic and frankly it doesn’t deserve to come back anytime soon. If you think master loot is anything positive than you’re even more delusional.
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As far as I can tell no one is asking for PL to be removed. Just to make loot options that suit our (speaking on behalf of my friends and guild mates who I know agree with me) needs better while leaving everything else alone so people who don’t want to use the system we do can keep playing as they are not 100% uneffected by what happens in our groups that they are not involved in.
No need to be rude. We can talk like adults
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So the version that seems to be far more preferable than Retail? BFA and SL are both across the board failure expansions.
The dwarves of Kavzar thought similarly.
Of course there will be friction! That’s the point. I want to know how you react when there’s friction between us. That tells me way more about you, than when everything is sunshine and roses. That tells me whether our goals are aligned. Are you for gear over progress? Progress over gear?
I want to play with other like minded individuals. I assume you want that as well. Again, why you’d play with people that you actively assume will stab you in the back if given the chance… that’s your business. I’d rather play with friends that I’ve given plenty opportunity to stab me, but haven’t.
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No the version that you guys want to go back to.
SoM has more of a population than the perma servers, but there’s still communities, on those perma servers especially since those servers are cross-realmed with ML function. Cross-realm helped populate the world, a little bit more than the one and only normal RP server, that didn’t get cross-realmed.
The RP realm still raids even with its small numbers and so do other perma Classic guilds. Guess that’s Blizz catering to “the small niche” that is Classic players. I’m enjoying it, even if it’s not that popular.
I’m not asking for PL to “go away”, I’m asking for an all guild-run only ML system. “The small niche” Ion “claims” ML would be “catering to”. What’s wrong with an all guild-run only ML system. If you’re a PuG, the system won’t activate.
So go already…
Good for you, not the case for everyone else.
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