Bring back Masterlooter

You know as well as I do that some people always want to have control over every little aspect of someone else’s playtime. PLNR is the best solution for the majority of players, but the small (and VERY vocal) subset of players that keep insisting ML be brought back will never stop vilifying PL.

And the sad thing is, PLNR can work just like ML with one caveat: The gear initially goes to a player first. The ML crew wants us to believe that ML groups would NEVER do anything to abuse the system, but the PLNR crew will always try to get away with “their” gear. They can’t seem to understand both sides are people and have their faults. I don’t know whether that’s irony, hypocrisy, or just flat out shady at this point.

What is too controversial about it?

Simple, just leave the group/guild, they will cease to exist. be with people for whom you trust.

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Are you talking about yourself or your guild? Maybe just let people who are not you or your guild enjoy things :+1:t5:

Wut.

That’s a big effin stretch if I ever saw it.

I can spin this the other way too.

Arguments for ML are like the arguments that used to be in place that banned same sex marriage, and trans rights because instead of government taking no action and defending these rights you want to hand the power to a smaller state that often will abuse your rights with little to no repercussion against them.

ML is like advocating for states rights. We know that states rights doesn’t defend civil liberties and protect people, why would ML?

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The removal of ML has been the single biggest detriment to WoW in it’s entirety - most other detriments are made up of a large combination of factors, rather than a single, simple action…

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Raiders are such drama queens.

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Yuck, the “invisible hand of the market” argument. Yeah on the long run you eventually get what you deserve… Sometimes…

There are probably no IRL examples of this EVER going wrong right?
Why, cigarettes are bad for your health? Why would the tobacco companies kill their clients?
Why would X company pollute the water ways? They won’t get any workers from the nearby town anymore.

Some years down the line people are left wishing those entities had been proactive about the problem and responsible instead of paying damages to the victims.

Now let’s dial it down a little, we’re talking about a game here after all.
But the same principles of good and responsible governance applies.

Personally I prefer prevention/proactive measures to reactionary measure like the one you’re mentioning.

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You look at this thread and how toxic both the sides have been just goes to show if any more control is given to the player base it will be a absolute :poop: show.

I think not having ML has protected us from this toxicity getting into the game. We already have plenty of other toxicity to deal with in game would not want another.
the LFG is already has a lot of boosters with ML there will only be GDKP and boosters in it.

This topic should die here on the forums.

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They can say as much as they want , it’s personal loot I intend to keep it and that’s it.

It can’t happen in personal loot. Someone can cry as much as he/she wants but if I don’t wanna give it it’s my loot. With master loot I don’t have choice. I can be against it , but still someone else is assigning loot.

Master loot is is basically a system on top of RNG. Boss drops prices you need and you roll for it which is random. Then even if you win the roll there is someone deciding if you get it or not. That’s

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Here is the other way to think of it:

Raiding with a guild, or even playing wow at all is a choice.

Being on the lgbt rainbow is not.

Also, be careful with saying your defending “states rights”, as that sounds to many people where I live that sounds like you’re defending something different.

Look at this, this post has reached the point where people are bringing up slavery it wont be long before Godwin’s law kicks in.

Please stop.

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Said by the person who never met an opinion he disagreed with that he didn’t feel morally obligated to shout down, even when he had to manufacture fake data to support his beliefs.

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This kind of thing is why ML should never return. Guilds will always screw people over given the chance. No player should have say/control over the rewards of another player. Even 100% guilds have no business with that kind of control.

The game has never been more toxic on the subject or lost more subs than when they took out ML. So it should probably be brought back for the health of the game and not affect PLers.

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This statement is testament that everyone defending ML is ignorant.

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So… this thread is still going huh?

States right to what?

This exchange is just perfect though.

I can’t imagine living in the mind-space where you think the worst thing that has ever happened to this game is removing the ability to take a pair of boots from someone else.

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:joy::joy::joy:
/10 char

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Wow man, you removed that I was responding to your contradictory statement, and removed what I said about the health of the game, all to call me ignorant? So really I guess you are self-projecting your own toxicity… That’s the angle? Make the argument toxic to claim it’s an ignorant/toxic topic. :+1:t5:
Anyways, let people who are not like you, enjoy things that don’t affect you. :+1:t5:

This breaks it down pretty well and shows how absurd this is.

/bravo Sentenza

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^ I mean the boot comment makes a good meme, but we all know that’s not the actual argument to reinstate a loot system that won’t affect PLers.